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Big Jim

10-22-2001 14:46:44




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Hi out there!
I was thinking of building my own trailer. I currently own a smaller trailer, but I would like to build a 20-24' flatbed Gooseneck trailer, about a 14,000 lb. rating (for hauling tractors). I know I can buy one new for about $4-5,000, but I like tinkering, especially with metal. Does anyone know what would be a good source to get a set of plans?




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Don Mays

12-18-2001 22:04:49




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
Designing a trailer that is efficient for doing
a specific task requires some mathematical
analysis as well as experience. A book that addresses this analysis is: "Trailers, How to Design and Build" by M.M. Smith. It is volume 2 which covers the structure of the trailer. His first volume 1, covers how to evaluate and buy trailers. His long career has been as a trailer designer for a major company. If you wish useful advice to guide you in the acquisition of a trailer you can't go wrong by consulting these books. To review them, check
check with Link Don Mays

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BlueLite

10-31-2001 17:45:22




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
I'm building my trailer also to haul my
tractor if I need to. But I'm also using it to
carry hay and use it around the farm.

I bought a single axle complete with tires/brakes from a school bus which should be OK for a 3500 lb tractor. It's going to be 12 X 8 and have bed to ground corner posts for loading. I figure nothing less than a large pickup with a welded bumper made from 5in angle will handle it, as tongue weights for this type of setup is tricky and hard to estimate.

If you want to do a pro job use 2 of those ready made axles rated for 6000 lbs. The springs
and electric brake assembly come included. The problem is their around 300$ each but you should get less hassle with the DOT which frowns on my setup. I'll be using a factory made surge brake system for my single axle.

You can use 4in channel but it's best if you
build a truss assembly, say 14in high on each side of the bed. The trusses will prevent the channel from bending and this system is very strong. I'm
going to use pipe in my truss assembly for sliding in removable plank sides for holding hay.

If you go the single axle, youll need to slice it dead center and insert some steel in
between for width. Use the highest welding setting and the largest rod and take your time as the welds, needless to say need to be very strong. Use 3/4 by 3in filler pieces and 2 long bridge pieces
top and bottom of axle around 3ft long. It's best to over weld for this job. "V" your pieces with a grinder for max welding penetration. When your finished load it to the max and take it down the roughest back country road you can find for testing. Re-check your welds real good and go over them again if you have to.

M2C

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George S. in the real NY

10-28-2001 18:37:57




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
Here is another 2 cents on this. You can buy one new for what it will cost to make it. Hunt around and you can find used trailers that really convince you to do something else with your time, like restore another tractor. In NY just the hassle to get an ID number and the inspection for the first time is enough to convince any sane person to buy one with good paper work. I got a used two axle 18 ft deck with title for less than I could ever build one, so I have two axles with brakes for sale, 'cause I'm never going to bother to build a trailer. George

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Dale W

10-24-2001 19:25:29




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
I will not question your abilities, but I have seen some home made trailers that I wouldn't hook my truck to, say nothing of hauling tractors on them. I work as a welder, but I bought a trailer, so everything would be A-1 and no mistakes.



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Dave A

10-25-2001 09:22:20




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 Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Dale W, 10-24-2001 19:25:29  
I agree that one must know what they are doing. My father who designed the trailer is a registered mechanical engineer with a fair amount of welding experience. He supplied the knowledge and skill, I supplied the materials. Dave



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Caution-PCC-AL

10-24-2001 18:30:38




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
Jim, One thing I didn't mention and have not seen anyone else refer to is tracking. I have met two different autos pulling home-made trailers that came by me with the trailers swinging about 45 degrees from side to side as it passed. Needless to say, I got off the road. Any change in original design of a factory made trailer or poor design in a home job may cause tracking problems. This is not much of a problem at slow speeds on the farm, but dangerous on the highway. Good luck.

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Dave A

10-24-2001 05:12:36




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
I needed a trailer to haul antique cars. I purchased an old house trailer, took the top off and used the I-beams, axels (2) with electric brakes and front hitch. My father had the welding and engineering skills. Turned out very well for not much money. Old house trailers often don't cost anything except for the hauling. Have fun. Dave A



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Tom

10-24-2001 17:30:49




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 Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Dave A, 10-24-2001 05:12:36  
And what do you do with the aluminum and other debris you end up with when using a trailer? I know, sell it for scrap, but that seems like a lot of work for a little aluminum and a trailer that still needs a lot of work. Just my thoughts.



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paul

10-24-2001 09:12:29




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 Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Dave A, 10-24-2001 05:12:36  
The beams are kinda big sometimes, you need to replace the tires & probably the rims, then the hubs if you can't find anything to match....

But there are a lot of them out there. :) Us farmers use them for hay & such, if we keep it on the tractor we can use the original 30mph tires.

(When was the last time you saw a mobile home being pulled at under 50 mph anyhow, why do they have slow-speed tires on them????)

--->Paul

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Dave A

10-25-2001 09:16:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to paul, 10-24-2001 09:12:29  
The aluminum pay for scrap is ok. The wood can be burned. The purpose is to not spend a great deal of money on this project.

I drive my trailer at hwy. speeds. There are not any speed ratings on my tires. They are 8 ply original mobile home tires. Both axels have electric brakes. Dave



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TomT

10-23-2001 16:54:24




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
I also enjoy fabricating with metal and used to build trailers professionally. I still put one or two together per year but I have to admit that you often can buy one as cheap or cheaper than making one. This may be because people get tired of having them take up space or that the trailer was used to move on a one-time basis. If you still want to go ahead, I think that Northern Tools is a great site for plans and parts. Link

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Branden

10-23-2001 16:50:47




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
Yes, you can go through Northern and buy trailer plans. But, the guy who designs them is the same guy at..... .....

www.trailerplans.com

No joke, that's it. I haven't been to it in some time, but this is the guy, who's plans Northern Tool carries. Also, when you shop for axles, wheels and tires, do just that, SHOP AROUND. I find that I will save tremendously by buying local, rather than ordering or even going through a "large" trailer supply place that is also local.

Even though I own a welding business, I know the common person can build a trailer or truckbed for about the same price that I can. Granted, it is cheaper for those large trailer companies that build nothing but trailers, because they buy in such large quantity, but I can usually build custom truck flatbeds for 1/2 the price of one you would buy local. I can also usually build custom trailers for about the same, It just depends. By 1/2 the price, I mean MATERIALS ONLY, that doesn't count labor. Don't get discouraged about building your own, it's fun and it's exactly what you want it to be. It is usually cheaper for the do-it-yourselfer. Just know your limits when it comes to safety issues such as welding capabilities. Hey, if you want to see a picture of my flat bed that I just finished about a year ago on my welding rig, let me know, and I'll email you a picture.

Have fun building.

Branden

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Greaseman

10-23-2001 16:35:12




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
I have many idea's on that same subjects also I am still a firm believer in hiring out the trucking services as I do not have a heavy truck for this purpose. Also, at least in New York; it still costs big monies to pay automotive insurace.



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Greg S

10-23-2001 14:15:54




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
I built a 16'tilt-top back in 78 and even with the really good deals I got on steel and the other component parts I figure it cost me 20-25% more than I could have bought a ready-made.



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PCC-AL

10-23-2001 10:46:12




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
Hi Big Jim, I had the same idea a couple of years ago so I checked with a friend at our local machine shop as I do little metal work. He discovered when he needed a trailer that he could buy one from a nearby trailer company in any stage of completion cheaper than he could construct it himself, and he is in the welding, etc. business. I think I recall that a 14 ft complete except bed was about $1,000.00 or so. I quickly gave up the idea of building one. Good luck.

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Craig

10-23-2001 06:01:14




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
Big Jim,

Northern tools sells blueprints for different trailers. I bought a set for a double axle utility trailer. Plans are well done and easy to follow. Now all I have to do is to get started on this project.

Good luck!



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BB

10-23-2001 10:20:51




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 Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Craig, 10-23-2001 06:01:14  
I too am interested in building a trailer. I want a bumper pull, 16' long, 6 to 6 1/2 feet wide, tandem axle.
Have you done a material estimate to see how much the materials will cost versus buying a trailer already built?
Just a cursory look at component parts prices such as axles, springs, wheels, tires, etc. looks like it would not be worth the effort.



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Craig

10-24-2001 02:59:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to BB, 10-23-2001 10:20:51  
BB,
I haven't price out the materials vs. buying one a complete trailer. I think it might be cheaper to buy a new trailer when you add in your time and materials. I just like the idea of building it myself as a project.
Kind of makes you feel good when you tell people you built it!

Craig



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Tom

10-24-2001 17:36:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Craig, 10-24-2001 02:59:39  
Well that's true, there is some satisfaction in building it yourself and you get what you want. Along that line I haven't seen much of what I have in mind. Which is a flatbed but with the floor at or just below the level of the top of the tires. So I could haul a wider tractor without the trailer getting too wide. Would cover the tires with removeable wheel wells if necessary for some jobs. Tractor would be parked on trailer so tractor tires would not be touching the trailer tires of course. Trailer would weigh under a ton and be able to haul two tons. Anyone know of someone who builds such a trailer. Oh, and it would have 14 1/2" tires, it would have 14 or 15 inch, so they would be readily and cheaply available.

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Big Jim

10-25-2001 08:18:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Tom, 10-24-2001 17:36:44  
Thanks for all the responses! Especially to Branden for the trailer plans site.



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tyson morelock

05-30-2002 05:53:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-25-2001 08:18:04  
i need plas to build a trailer.



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tyson morelock

05-30-2002 05:53:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-25-2001 08:18:04  
i need plas to build a trailer.



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thebigron

10-22-2001 19:06:50




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 Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Big Jim, 10-22-2001 14:46:44  
saw one 6-8 months ago on e-bay that was made from surplus 4,5 or 6 inch pipe. The fellow said he stored it full of compressed air or maybe had a small 12 volt compressor. At either rate that seemed like a neat idea.



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Bus Driver

10-25-2001 18:26:13




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 Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to thebigron, 10-22-2001 19:06:50  
Have seen trailers made from pipe. Am not an engineer (my son is RPE with Master's degree), but do know that pipe makes great column when loaded vertically, but makes a poor beam for horizontal loading. While it is possible to have a pipe frame sufficiently strong, the weight of such a frame is excessive compared to channel frames of equal strength. A disadvantage when towing and for the load on the tires. In NC, it is illegal to use mobile home tires on any licensed application other than mobile home transport. Must use LOWBOY rated tires for licensed trailers. Farm trailers behind farm tractors are not licensed here.

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LYLE

05-21-2002 09:36:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Build your own trailer in reply to Bus Driver, 10-25-2001 18:26:13  
These guys that say you can't do it or think it is a waste of time and money are just plain dumb. Anything you build yourself is more respected that something you bought. It most likely will last longer. You can do anything you put your mind to. Good luck and don't listen to those fools that say you can't do it.



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