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Loading your own tires-tools?

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PaulCtOH

10-19-2001 07:47:42




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I see loading tools for $9.00 and $15.00. Do these work satisfactorily?. Is water/calcium in a high tank to come down by gravity? How much calcium per gallon? How much weight would be added to a 16.9x38 tire? How many gallons would that take? Thank you. Paul




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mike

10-23-2001 16:35:13




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 Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to PaulCtOH, 10-19-2001 07:47:42  
Ive loaded several tires with windshield washer fluid.It works great,its cheap$40.00 for 55 gals,its not corosive,and its readily available.It may not be as heavy as chloride but its hardly noticable in the field.Try it.



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PaulCtOH

10-23-2001 17:12:18




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 Re: Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to mike, 10-23-2001 16:35:13  
Do you use the windshield fluid full strength? Thanks for posting. Paul



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Ken McWilliams

10-20-2001 10:41:52




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 Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to PaulCtOH, 10-19-2001 07:47:42  
I just loaded two tires 18.4" x 26" with about 75 gallons of liquid each. I put the valve on top and raised the drum up to about 6' above the ground. Then I let the air out of the tire and ran a hose from the drum of liquid to the the valve stem and hose clamped it in place. I put a weight on the end of the hose to be sure it would stay on the bottom of the drum of liquid.

Then I jacked up the tractor so that the tire would retake its natural shape and created a vacuum to begin siphoning the liquid out of the elevated drum.

I went and did some chores and in about 20 minutes I removed the hose put my thumb over the end of the hose and let the captured air out of the tire. Then I slipped the hose over the valve stem and reclamped it for another 20 minutes. It took about 2 hours to fill the tire.

I filled the tire to the valve stem leaving the remainder for an air pocket and to allow the tire to be compliant to the ground.

As far as non-freezing liquids, there is an abundance of antifreeze mix available. All trucking terminals are frequently changing antifreeze to restore the cavitation inhibiter used in diesels. I have a friend who lets me know when a drum at his place is filled and I take it home. When there is enough I'll fill a tire.

With the weight of the fluid at around 8 pounds per gallon and I have 75 gallons per tire this is about 600 pounds per tire. If calcium chloride is used there will be about 300 pounds total additional for both tires.

For a free souce on fluid, I'll take the 1200 pounds and be happy instead of the 1500 pounds if CaCl is used. Also, my tires are tubeless and I didn't want the CaCl directly exposed to the steel rim.

The only problem is that ethylene glycol is sweet and poisonous. We lost a kitty several years ago who lapped up some of the sweet stuff from a pan in the garage. You must decide what is best for you and where to make the risk. Methanol is wood alcohol and is poisonous, also.

KRM

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PaulCtOH

10-20-2001 16:50:15




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 Re: Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to Ken McWilliams, 10-20-2001 10:41:52  
It's good to hear from you. I appreciate knowing your experience. I found a 45W JD loader for my wide front 720. Now I need some rear weight. I need some wider front tires , too. I changed the trip bucket over to hydraulic dump. I had a 6' bucket off my Case 580. I got two cylinders from QF. And, a two way valve from TSC. I had enough good used hoses to complete the job. Paul



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G Taylor

10-20-2001 07:13:06




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 Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to PaulCtOH, 10-19-2001 07:47:42  
At one time loading rear tires with chcl/water solution was acceptable but technology & knowledge have improved since. Some people still load tires because Dad & Grandad always used to. A two wheel drive bias ply tired tractor should weight between 110 to 145 lbs per HP. With 25% to 35% of the weight on the front tires while stationary. Bias ply tires work best at speeds between 3 to 5 mph. Drawbar length & height can be increased until front end stability & steering is nearly compromised if more traction is required. If this doesn't work the implement/load is too large for the tractor. More work can be done spending less fuel & maintaince costs while increasing crop yields if radial tires are used without liquid ballast. If this application is a loader tractor then liquid ballast made of beet sugar or water/alcohol won't ruin rims.

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PaulCtOH

10-20-2001 07:58:30




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 Re: Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to G Taylor , 10-20-2001 07:13:06  
I've had non loaded radial tires with two wts. per wheel for 10 years. Now, I have put a loader on it. Where can this alcohol be purchased? I'm in favor of using non corrosive ballast. How much alcohol per gallon of water?



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G Taylor

10-20-2001 14:03:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to PaulCtOH, 10-20-2001 07:58:30  
Chemical supply houses or race car fuel suppliers in the yellow pages. The last methanol purchase cost about 20% more than premium gasoline at the time. Depending on the climate probably 20 to 50% mix would work. Don't fill higher than the top of the rim. Seen my Uncles 520 with a corn scuffler mounted on it blow a tire while sitting it the hot sun. Seems they filled her full for max weight but didn't leave room for expansion. Ruined the paint & killed the grass. It was rough riding too without the proper air cushion. Stainless steel valve cores are available for tubes as well. The old concrete ballast on the three point hitch trick works well & is cheap. Allows easy on/off of the weight as required. Personally prefer to avoid trouble by using dry tires where possible.

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PaulCtOH

10-20-2001 14:23:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to G Taylor , 10-20-2001 14:03:46  
Thanks for the information. I appreciate your taking time to post. I've had dry tires for about 10 years. But, I've put a loader on this tractor. I will be using it in the snow and mud this winter. This tractor seems to be the one that gets used to pull things out.



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Halsey Green

10-19-2001 13:24:14




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 Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to PaulCtOH, 10-19-2001 07:47:42  
I just recently loaded the tires on my John Deere 790 with R4's. Purchased an adapter at NAPA for $14 (have seen the same adapter at Gempler's for around $8. It has the hose connection on one end and a valve stem adapter screws on the other, with a air bleed on the side. It did the job. Purchased a small drill powered pump that I used to pump the methanol and water in. I bleed the air about every 5 gallons of liquid. Could have hooked it straight to the water fauct, but no one could tell me the capacity of my tires, so I didn't want to exceed 6:1 ratio of water to methanol. I can't help you on the capacity of your tires, ask your local agr tire dealer, he should have a chart. My 15x19.5 Titans held about 33 gallons and this was just above the valve stem. The methanol cost me $4 per gallon, and I would recommend it over CaCl as it is not as corosive if it leaks out. CaCl is usually added at about 3.5 pound to the gallon of water. Hope this helps.

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PaulCtOH

10-19-2001 16:49:37




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 Re: Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to Halsey Green, 10-19-2001 13:24:14  
How did you determine when you had enough fluid in your tires? Did you have the valve stem completely on top; and, quit when liquid came out the air bleed? I see that the $8.00 tool in Gemplers has a manual bleed. And, the $14.00 tool has an automatic bleed. Do you have an opinion on which type of bleed would be better?



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Paul

10-20-2001 12:01:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to PaulCtOH, 10-19-2001 16:49:37  
My tractor owners manual has a drawing showing the correct amount of liquid in relation to the tire. It's basicly liquid up to the top of the steel rim according to the drawing.



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PaulCtOH

10-20-2001 14:16:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to Paul, 10-20-2001 12:01:46  
That's information I needed. I didn't think they were filled clear up. Thanks. Paul



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PaulCtOH

10-19-2001 14:39:04




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 Re: Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to Halsey Green, 10-19-2001 13:24:14  
That helps me out a lot. I'm glad to know that the tool works. Where did you get the methanol? I was thinking anti freeze mixed at a 50/50 ratio could get pretty expensive.



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Halsey Green

10-20-2001 16:56:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to PaulCtOH, 10-19-2001 14:39:04  
I purchased my methonol from a local implement dealer. He would have done it for me, but it was easier to do it myself than load the tractor on the trailer and drop it off. Plus I got the experience. The manual bleed was not a problem, knew it was full when I got fluid out the bleed hole. From what he told me, my max ratio was 1 gallon of methanol to 6 gallons of water. I checked this out with the local high school agri teacher, and this is what he uses.

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PaulCtOH

10-20-2001 17:23:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Loading your own tires-tools? in reply to Halsey Green, 10-20-2001 16:56:18  
Thank you for posting that information. I'm starting to feel comfortable about doing this job myself successfully. Paul



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