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David in MD

05-20-2008 04:35:41




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This topic doesn"t fit anywhere but I wanted to poll the collective knowledge of this board. I have an old rental house where the septic drain field failed. It only has a 500 gallon tank which should have been pumped every 2 years instead of every 3 years. The tank filled up with solids and allowed solids out into the drain field plugging it up. Has anyone had any luck restoring failed drain fields with any of the chemicals, bacteria, enzymes, etc available. If it works, a few $100 in stuff beats $3500 in drain fields.

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GeneMO

05-21-2008 20:18:35




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
Probably get in trouble for this, but here goes.
I live on the south part of the 244 acres that my great grandparents bought 100 some odd years ago. 25 years ago I built a new house. I run the drain line straight out, about 200 yards to the north. it goes into another 200yard stretch of the branch that is solid bermuda grass. The big liberal, college town to the East of me is doing basically the same thing, just on a huge basis, and their drain field is a big National wildlife sanctuary, and they get all kinda awards and accolades for the same thing I am doing.

About once a year I take a garden rake down and open up the draininge a little. Down below there is never any sludge, TP, anything. Further down the branch we have always had 50-75 cow/calf pairs.

No county zoning, rules, etc. No plugs, or problems in 25+ years. The 25 deer that feed every evening on my wheat behind the house put out more waste that the missus and I do.


Not really a solution to your problem. Sorry

Good luck,, Gene

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Glenn F.

05-20-2008 13:37:12




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
Not to hijack the thread, but will a clogged drain field "heal" itself if given enough time? How long (many years) would it take?

Glenn F.



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Jim in N M

05-20-2008 11:52:29




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
If you have a bad leach field the best thing to do is replace it with a product called "Infilterators" and end your worries. look them up on the net, they are 3' wide about 2'high and about 6' long for a three bedroom house you need about 80' ,can be run in one row or two forty ft' rows. And you don't need any gravel with them. I've put in many of these and never had any trouble with them. they are sold all over the country. Jim in N M

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Billy NY

05-20-2008 10:59:39




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
Yes, rental income property tenants can be part of the problem, need to know that it's not city sewer, and understand how a septic system works, harsh cleaning chemicals and similar things cannot be allowed into the system. Another clogger is laundry discharge lines from washing machines, it contains fine lint that will build up over time and clog the perforations in the leachate field.

Oversize tank - I agree well worth the investment, we have a much larger capacity one here and it never needed pumping, installed in '78 or so, first time I ever had to pump it was in '02, however, been doing it every 3 years, the ground had gotten super saturated, froze, oddball conditions leach field backed up, pumped er out, extra capacity was a big + cause it made through until the ground thawed out and the leachate lines started draining again.

Worst case scenario, you rent a hoe, get the bedding stone, pipe and other misc. materials, 2 people can easily install a new leach field in one day, still going to be a cost, but not a contractors cost. Not sure what if any inspections would be required, be good if you did not have to deal with any official agencies over it, sometimes you have no choice, but as long as you have soils that percolate well and you do the right job with the pipe, stone etc., it'll be good.

Someone here rigged up a special wand for a pressure washer and propelled it into the leachate lines, sounded like a great way to open up those lines again, there was a post about it awhile back, one person suggested it and the other tried it, believe it worked too.

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paul

05-20-2008 13:49:13




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to Billy NY, 05-20-2008 10:59:39  
And in some states, they'd about throw you in jail if you touch your own septic with as little as a shovel.... Everything gotta be done with an aproved contractor & inspected several times along the way. Ends up 90% of the systems are 'mound' type any more.....

--->Paul



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Billy NY

05-20-2008 14:52:25




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to paul, 05-20-2008 13:49:13  
Yeah, if you want to get technical, it should be designed by a licensed professional engineer, stamped and signed by same, meeting local health dept requirements, installed per these documents and inspected prior to acceptance and backfilling. Earlier in my career working for an excavation and site work contractor we sometimes when working as a crew did 2 systems a day, in new developements, those were long days, many times I did leach fields by myself, set the adjusters on the d-box, nice to have a laborer for the stone work though.

I'm not sure how it's changed but there were no certifications or criteria for an excavation contractor here, you follow what is called for on the drawings, leave the pipe exposed for inspection, backfill when approved.

To be honest, if I had to do a repair to mine, I certainly know the routine, and I'd not be kind to someone that wanted to stop me with a bunch of red tape in this area, what was approved for design, installed, approved upon inspection, an in service for 30 years is what is staying. Soil is well percolated with plenty of gravel, we own everything around it, this is a case of shoot shovel and shut up.

I don't recommend someone putting themselves at risk, but if in a bind, short on money, what is someone supposed to do, raze the house because of something like this ?

In certain situations I think some of the authorities that preside over these affairs need to take a step back, and be a little more receptive to a residents needs, these systems work fine, and especially when the municipality does not provide sewerage, like here, yet the state spent close to $20 million on this state road 4 years ago, they did not extend and sewer lines from an existing one 1/4 mile away,and it is badly needed for the residents near the road, and they all have small front yards, high water table in their back yards, guess where their septic systems are, on the front lawn near the road. No mound system will work here, though there is one in the neighborhood, the location of the house necessitated it, looks ridiculous too.

Sometimes you have no choice but to fight em and there ought to be grandfather clauses for existing systems that meet more recent design criteria, 1978 was not 1928, septic design and soil conditions have not changed, if they told me I had to put a mound system in here..... lets just say they'd have their hands full.

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paul

05-20-2008 20:57:47




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to Billy NY, 05-20-2008 14:52:25  
I agree with you.

However, you would lose 'here'. It is attached to the property taxes, same as if you didn't pay those, you don't have an approved septic, you have 9 months or the fines & issues start. They don't fool around on that. Statewide, tho it is the local county that handles the paperwork.

They are assessing small villages now - 100 people or less - and forcing them to pay to pump the sewage to the nearest town that has a treatment plant. Shut down your septic, even if it is to code, & pay the assessment for the pipe....

Village by me they all had to put mounds in their back yards. Several didn't have room for a mound. So they had to share, bigger mound across 2 yards or 3.... The county officials proclaimed how much more valuable their properties were now - with those big monds covering the back yards, the cross-easements, the lift pumps..... .

I'm not saying I like it, I agree with you. You make sense.

But you wouldn't have much say 'here'.

--->Paul

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Billy NY

05-21-2008 05:52:05




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to paul, 05-20-2008 20:57:47  
I'm sure, it sounds like some beauracracy going on there in regards to these issues, as well as poor municipal planning, revenue motivated code enforcement etc.



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Bob - MI

05-20-2008 10:02:20




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
Local septic guy does jetting to loosen things up. He says it works great but he's the marketing guy.

I would suggest that you get several professional opinions. Ask them about the lye treatments. Frankly I never have too much luck with these miracle can treatments but who knows?

Best of luck



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glennster

05-20-2008 09:41:22




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
if the field is plugged up with solids, try having it jetted. you need to locate the distribution boxes and dig them up and open them, they septic company with use a high pressure water jet, flush the field and pump the sludge out. its cheaper than replacing the drain field. it may work, may not, but worth a try first.



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buickanddeere

05-20-2008 09:34:54




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
Any lines into the septic system from laundry, water softeners, water filtration systems, dishwashers, showers/baths, hot tubs and don't laugh; down spouts?
All of those need to be on a separate septic or grey water system. The chlorine, salt, grease and soap mess up a true "blackwater" septic system. Sounds like it's time for a new 2000 gallon septic system and leaching field.And run all the grey water through the old system.

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paul

05-20-2008 06:34:03




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
I have zero personal experience.

From reading these topics for years on several forums:

Your leach field got slime coated over it & doesn't drain through the slime.

Bacteria prefers no oxygen, so it is a long slow process to get it to break down this slime in the field. It would happen, but you'd need to stop using the field for a year or so..... Not going to happen right? Typically adding bacteria is of no help at all, just nature needs to do it's thing. Magic dust only makes the dust sellers some money, doesn't help you out at all.

There is a hydro-fracturing process where they shoot styrofoam beads & pressure into your leach field and break op the ground. This allows water to drain through the slimey area again. It often works but nothing os 100%, needs to be professionally done, may or may not be allowed by code in your area. It is cheaper than a new field.

Some folks have 2 fields, can switch between them to allow for situations like yours, let one settle out for months to work again. If you need a new field, see if you can do that for your future - use new & old, alternating.

Unsure if this used to be a rental & now your home; or is still a rental. Folks renting don't care much about septic, only complain when all the gunk they put down it floods it. If you are renting it out, might as well bite the bullet & put in a much bigger tank (oversize it!) and new field. That small tank will give you constant problems on a rental.

Again, just what I have read over the years, distilled down to what made sense from the many, many opinions I've seen.

--->Paul

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Spook

05-20-2008 06:33:20




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
I don't know anything about the chemical treatments. I have repaired my field, trenched in new lines, in between existing ones. Working ok for 3 years. Probably spent $500. I have seen a pumping schedule, on the net, it depended not only on the size, but the number of people. If it were my rental house, I would pump it every year.



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joe-in-ny

05-20-2008 06:27:45




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
I read that drain fields could be unplugged by treating with lye. Don't know the details. Most hardware type stores have bottles of stuff proporting to unplug drain fields. Good luck!
joe in ny



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Circus

05-20-2008 05:13:10




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
Sometimes it's the lender that requires septic updates. Blockage may be in the first 50 feet. On the outlet install a Tee so floating scum stays in the tank. Good luck



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K-Mo

05-20-2008 04:58:45




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to David in MD, 05-20-2008 04:35:41  
In many parts of the country, septic systems must be brought up to date if the property is sold. If this is the case for you, spend the money to update and get some use out of it instead of updating for a new owner.
K-Mo



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El Toro

05-20-2008 06:42:30




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 Re: Septic Drain Fields in reply to K-Mo, 05-20-2008 04:58:45  
It's the law in MD too if you ever decide to sell
and don't tell the buyer, the sale can be voided. You can sell it "as is". Hal



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