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Old-ish compressor

worth a new tank?

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Dave in MO

09-17-2001 16:22:31




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I recently received a older, smallish air compressor that my father-in-law found 8 or 10 years ago in a garage sale. When I "discovered" it someone had replaced the original 2HP motor with a unlabeled motor turning @ 1725 rpm and it was tripping circuit breakers under load. I cleaned it up and found a plate with the mfg and model numbers along with proper HP, motor speed and pump rpms. I replaced the motor and pulley to bring the compressor up to spec. I also replaced the pressure switch for one with built in unloaders. All well and good... it pumped up, unloaded like it should and restarted according to plan. I left pressure in the tank and when I came back later to check pressures, I noticed a puddle of water under the tank, Yep... pinholes in the tank, upon investigation I discovered that this tank has no drain! Never did!

So the question becomes: Is it worth spending the cash to replace the tank or should I just call it a boat anchor and start over?

Its a Sanborn Model 104, cast iron 2 cylinder single stage pump with a 22 gallon portable type tank on wheels. the tag on the tank says 10.4 cfm but my guess is that I'll get closer to 6 at 100 psi

It will be used mostly to shoot nails, blow up tires and some "light" wrenching.

Thanks in advance for the help, and I appologize for the long post.

Dave

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wrenchman

09-20-2001 00:34:44




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 Re: Old-ish compressor - worth a new tank? in reply to Dave in MO, 09-17-2001 16:22:31  
go down to your local welding supply outfit and see if they have a used oxygen tank that won't pass spec.some outfits sell old tanks to customers for scrap price.i have same problem with big double tanked compressor i picked up cheap(ex service truck setup).recently acquired 2 govt surplus oxygen tanks to use with it.cost $10.each.just an idea.wouldn't use old waterheater tank as most are real rusty inside and may explode.

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Neil

09-19-2001 13:44:23




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 Re: Old-ish compressor - worth a new tank? in reply to Dave in MO, 09-17-2001 16:22:31  
Check with Surplus Center in Nebraska.
They have several tanks in their catalog for fairly reasonable prices.



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John in MA

09-18-2001 18:33:07




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 Re: Old-ish compressor - worth a new tank? in reply to Dave in MO, 09-17-2001 16:22:31  
Sanborns are good compressors. I'd replace the tank, but maybe shoot for a seldom-used tank, instead of new. A lot less expensive if you can find one.

Now, it's a very bad idea to pressurize a tank that you don't know the history of. I water test any compressor tank I get. A grease gun, some fittings, and a section of pipe to catch the grease is a great way of doing it.

Also, it's a very, very bad idea to weld a rusted air tank. Pinholes develop when the wall thinkness is thin enough to break through in some areas. The entire bottom half of the tank is probably more oxide than metal.

And finally, water heater tanks are not good for air. I can't remember any of the testing specs, but I think most aren't certified to be used at more then 90 psi. They can explode and they do explode, There have been some discussions here about that topic. I'd also like to see any water heater tanks that are tested to 1000 psi. Just picture something half the weight of a SCUBA bottle that size.

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John ('48 Cub, Ohio)

09-18-2001 13:08:33




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 Re: Old-ish compressor - worth a new tank? in reply to Dave in MO, 09-17-2001 16:22:31  
I haven't done it myself, but I have had co-workers use water heater tanks as replacement or additional compressor tanks. They are generally rated as pressure vessels and normally load at 40 psi water pressure. Additionally, the manufacturers are required to submit to a high pressure test of something over 1000 pounds. My understanding is that 100 to 150 psi should not be a problem.



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Greaseman

09-18-2001 09:35:34




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 Re: Old-ish compressor - worth a new tank? in reply to Dave in MO, 09-17-2001 16:22:31  
First, it's a very bad idea to braze, or weld a compresser tank. I have often thought of getting an old "hot water tank" and mounting a compressor set up on that but still am uncertain. The idea of the propane tank is good but because of the gaseous vapor and static electricity BECAREFUL!! I would fill and refill the tank with HOT,HOT water before using it with compressed air.



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JEFF (TX)

09-18-2001 07:25:15




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 Re: Old-ish compressor - worth a new tank? in reply to Dave in MO, 09-17-2001 16:22:31  
Hi Dave, I went through the same deal about a year ago, someone was getting rid of an old compressor and being the pack rat that i am i said i would take it. spent about 25 bucks on sheaves and belts fired it up and it leaked air.
i thought no problem ill just weld it up. pulled the trigger on the mig gun, struck an arc and the "pin" hole turned into a big hole. the more i welded the more holes kept coming. the tank was just too far gone to hold a weld. guess what now i have a boat anchor behind the barn. grainger sells a replacement 20 gal tank for about 175 bucks. it wasnt worth it to me to spend that on a compressor and motor i knew nothing about.
moral of the story DRAIN YOUR TANK OFTEN
MY .02 WORTH

good luck

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Gordon in IN

09-17-2001 17:07:28




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 Re: Old-ish compressor - worth a new tank? in reply to Dave in MO, 09-17-2001 16:22:31  
Why not just use a small portable air tank (low price - $25 to $30 at Wallmart or the discount auto stores) with quick disconnect fittings on it (both in and out on the tank to be the female or locking part of the fitting). Then put a male fitting on a short hose from your compressor/switch/safety relief valve/regulator/ pressure gage/manifold to interface with the tank and use a hose with a pair of disconnects (one fitting of each type on opposite ends of the hose) for your supply hose from the tank. Most of the tanks even come with their own gage. This gives you a tank to use with the compressor and also a portable tank (with air) to take with you if you need it. I have done this for years with two compressors and have found it to be very handy and cost effective, Good luck, Gordon in IN

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Ray,IN

09-17-2001 21:04:51




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 Re: Re: Old-ish compressor - worth a new tank? in reply to Gordon in IN, 09-17-2001 17:07:28  
What a novel idea Gordon, that's a really good way to "multitask" a compressor. I adapted a 100lb. propane tank to an old compressor, and it added quite a bit of storage area for that small unit. The tanks have a 3/4" NPT threaded hole, and I just plumbed it so the compressor and the propane tank sat horizontally. Then I drilled/tapped a 1/8NPT hole on the bottom side to accept a petcock to drain the condensate; and tacked on a set of wheels to move the unit around.

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