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6011 rod and a DC welder

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old

04-26-2008 21:24:36




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Had about 10lbs of 6011 gave to me but I NEVER buy it. Can I weld with it with a DC machine. I always use 7014 or 7018 rod so I'm not sure about the 6011 because it to me is a crap rod but if was free and would like to use it instead of buy more rod




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Bob Huntress

04-27-2008 18:08:19




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-26-2008 21:24:36  
6011 rod works real well with a DC welder. It has about 10,000 lbs less tensile strength than the 7018, but you can weld metal that has been sitting in salt water with the 6011 electrode. Maybe I"m exagerating a bit, but I find that when welding metal that is old and rusty, 6011 electrode is far more forgiving when it comes to the prep.



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Bob Huntress

04-27-2008 18:08:07




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-26-2008 21:24:36  
6011 rod works real well with a DC welder. It has about 10,000 lbs less tensile strength than the 7018, but you can weld metal that has been sitting in salt water with the 6011 electrode. Maybe I"m exagerating a bit, but I find that when welding metal that is old and rusty, 6011 electrode is far more forgiving when it comes to the prep.



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ispud

04-27-2008 09:38:54




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-26-2008 21:24:36  
I don't know it all but, 6011 and 7018 are on hand at all times in my shop.Don't stock any thing else. I do a lot of welding on heavy equ. so buy my hardfaace and differnt rods for that job. I always look at the job to see what I need and to give a price, befor I pull my big 40 on the job.



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T_Bone

04-27-2008 08:36:17




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-26-2008 21:24:36  
Hi old,

Although 6011 has it's uses, it not one of my electrodes that I like to use.

6010 is a better all around choice and works well on DCEP, DCEN or AC. I use DCEN alot on welding galvanized.

I never have liked the mfg's saying 6011 is a electorde to be used where the you don't want to take the time to preclean the weld area.

I say if you want a weld to fail then don't preclean the weldment. That will just about guarntee a weld failure 99.9% of the time.

T_Bone

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NcNE

04-27-2008 10:48:23




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to T_Bone, 04-27-2008 08:36:17  
T_Bone
I hate to question a man of your knowledge, but I think you have 6011 and 6010 crossed. 6010 is only ran on DCEP where 6011 can be ran on any polarity. I agree with you 100% on the part about cleaning the weld area though. As far as Old's question 6011 should work just fine on a DC machine. Its pretty good for out of position welding and where slag inclusion could posibly be an issue.

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T_Bone

04-27-2008 20:43:12




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to NcNE, 04-27-2008 10:48:23  
Hi Nc,

Ya, I know, it's just one of the little tricks that I used on welding SM using the back step method while on DCEN using Lincoln 5p (6010). I tried some Hobart 6010 one time and was not impressed with using DCEN. AC is always the last choice on 6010 but it can be done.

As long as the electrode mfg spec's the rod for DCEP/EN or AC, then AWS code doesn't have a problem with it.

Give it a try some time and see how you like it. It just might suprise you.

T_Bone

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Gary from Muleshoe

04-27-2008 08:07:19




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-26-2008 21:24:36  
Old My neighbor gave about same amount of 6011 when I built a fence for him. I use it on about everything. I am no pro but I can make a pretty good weld with it.



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mjbrown

04-27-2008 07:39:54




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-26-2008 21:24:36  
In addition to the deep penetration and dirty steel welding qualities of this rod it it also a "quick freeze" rod and good for welding vessels and pipe with out leaks in the weld.



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guido

04-27-2008 06:20:46




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-26-2008 21:24:36  
Hello old
You can use the 6011 crap rod as you as root pass with excellent results, and finish the weld with the 7014 or the 7018 rod you already have.
6011 is cheaper to buy then the 70## rods and is used as a root pass in many applications.
You don't have to have it dry as the other post said, it works fine damp. A very good all purpose rod!
Guido.



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coloken

04-27-2008 06:18:01




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-26-2008 21:24:36  
Come on Old, your a better welder than that. Play with it a bit and you will figure out what it is good for. Rod is high priced so use it where you can.



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old

04-27-2008 08:09:41




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to coloken, 04-27-2008 06:18:01  
Its just that it has been decades since I use 6011 so I'm sort of rusty with that rod. I have a bunch of fence I'm doing and I am welding a 1/2 inch rod to the top of all the posts so as to have a top rail on the fence. Saves on haveing to do corner posts that way and makes a strong fence to boot



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MarkB_MI

04-27-2008 04:05:44




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-26-2008 21:24:36  
"Crap rod"? 6011 and its DC-only counterpart 6010 are two of the BEST all-purpose electrodes you can use. They are tricky to use, but give excellent penetration and work well on dirty or rusty steel.

6010 and 6011 will not give you the pretty bead you'll get from 7014 or 7018, but the weld will be strong due to much deeper penetration. You do need to practice quite a bit to get a decent bead with 6010 or 6011, but once you learn to use this rod you will appreciate its versatility.

One strange characteristic of these rods is that they like to be wet and can actually get too dry. Some welders will dunk 6010 in water if they don't like the way it's behaving.

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6011 rods

04-27-2008 10:28:10




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to MarkB_MI, 04-27-2008 04:05:44  
6010 is generally for DC+ only. 6011 was made so an AC machine could have a similar type of rod. 6011 can be used on DC+ as well. Not quite as much penetration. Both rods use a slight whipping motion rather than just letting in burn along. They can be whipped a lot if needed to fill gaps or holes. Being a cellulose type rod, they can dry out too much. Mostly 6010 but sometimes 6011 can work better if they are dunked in water and then wrung out so they aren't dripping wet. These are the only rods that need some moisture content and aren't completely ruined if they get wet. If the coating on the rods catches fire is an easy way to tell if the rods are too dry. 6010/6011 use less amps to burn than other rods of the same diameter. A 1/8 6010/6011 rod will use about the same heat(amps) as a hot 3/32 7018. They aren't crap rods. 6010 is used for pipelines going downhand. Never heard of 6011 used for pipelines but both rods make acceptable downhand welds if needed. If you've got them, use them.

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Tony S.

04-26-2008 21:47:51




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-26-2008 21:24:36  
6011 works fine on dc reverse. I was trained on 6010 for pipe and I still prefer it, but have used plenty of 6011 too. I don't know why you call it crap rod, it's just a matter of using the right rod for the right application.



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old

04-27-2008 08:12:40




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to Tony S., 04-26-2008 21:47:51  
I call it crap rod because you can weld with it on almost any thing not matter how rusty it is or if it has paint, oil, or grease on the metal



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Tony S.

04-27-2008 13:02:08




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-27-2008 08:12:40  
Most times when I get called to fix something the farmer or his hired man have already fixed, but it broke again, it's not that they couldn't weld, but they just didn't take the time to do the prep. Yes you can weld through dirt or rust, but a good weld is always clean. Also clean slag between passes. Don't care what kind of rod you're talking about.



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old

04-27-2008 13:58:31




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to Tony S., 04-27-2008 13:02:08  
Oh believe me I understand the grinding, cleaning etc before you weld. BTDT for many years. But I did also retire from welding as a living just never used 6011 rod when I welded for a living



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trucker40

04-27-2008 10:23:02




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 Re: 6011 rod and a DC welder in reply to old, 04-27-2008 08:12:40  
Its like anything else,yeah you can weld in rust,dirt,grease.You can strike up a 7018 in rust but the weld wont be any good.6011 is better if the metal is clean.You push the puddle instead of drag it with 6011 and 7018 both.6011 is for a root pass on thicker metal thats been V ground prepared for uphill 7018.You weld your root pass up with a stringer bead of 6011,grind out the slag and run 7018 uphill over it.The 6011 burns any trash you cant get at with the grinder and it makes a good foundation for an uphill weld that you want to be strong as possible and without contamination from oil paint and trash in the weld.

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