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water heaters short or tall?

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ww

04-25-2008 01:22:28




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got to buy a new one. is there advantage to one or the other? how about cost to operate?




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RegoR

04-29-2008 12:19:53




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
Hi T-Bone,

Timely topic for me as I'm getting ready to replace a 40G elec. W/H.

I was reading reviews on a tankless and the requirements stated min. 200A panel w/ the space for 3 40A breakers.

Why are three legs protected? I've never seen anything that needs 3 poles in a residential panel. Is this unique to tankless heaters?

Thanks,

Roger



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dave guest

04-28-2008 21:08:21




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
I was electrical contractor. I still get Mich. Dept. of energy bulletins. Last I read gas and electric are running neck to neck and propane is 50% higher than either. I assume electric water heater which doesn't draft any heat up stack would have slight advantage. Go figure. For years though, gas was cheaper. From the horses mouth, DTE sells both electricity and natural gas.



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buickanddeere

04-27-2008 15:13:57




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
1 gallon of LP through a 80% efficient burner/heat exchanger is exactly equal to 22.25KW/hr of electricity at 100% efficiency.
With LP at $3.00/gallon and electricity at 13.5cents per KW/hr. The cost is exactly the same.
Now figure in the savings of a demand electric hot water heater vs. a hot water tank adding heat to your home's aircondiitoner or blowing out the window?



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buickanddeere

04-26-2008 20:11:57




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
Can't agree with those numbers.
Re=check the btu's per $ of fuel/energy and also factor in the 80 or 85% efficiency of a burner unit. And the cost/ maintenance of an exhaust stack.
Around here even an old energy hog tank electric heater is cheapest with oil a close 2nd.
An electric tankless wins hands down.



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T_Bone

04-26-2008 21:14:50




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to buickanddeere, 04-26-2008 20:11:57  
Hi B&D,

I assume you were talking to me since I posted numbers?

Yes in Feb08 I ran the numbers for a cloths dryer using BTU's (the only way to fly):
eletricity at $.135/kw and LP at $3/gal

Electric= $.95/hr LP=$.72/hr w/electricity included (controls/blower)

If you post numbers, please show your math as I got a head cold and my thinker ain't working to clear :)

Have you been watching the price wholesale electricity cost? I think it's up 40% this year??? I don't chart that one and just going off memeory on Bloomberg's, so I may be off:(

T_Bone

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dr sportster

04-26-2008 13:25:01




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
When you go from shorter to taller on a gas unit your exh. pipe must also go higher in the chimney.[dont change the pitch].As I was chopping by hand I remembered I had an air chisel.Use unions so next time its all mechanical and not requiring torches again.



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wdTom

04-25-2008 19:17:35




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
I believe that all else being equal a short fat one will have less heat loss than a tall slim one of the same size The less surface area, the less heat loss. The nearer to the shape of a sphere you get the less surface area per gallon of capacity. Put more insulation around whatever you get and it will help.



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buickanddeere

04-25-2008 18:27:26




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
Neither. Get a tankless demand heater.



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El Toro

04-25-2008 16:38:43




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
Check out the Noritz water heaters. Heat on demand. Hal



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T_Bone

04-25-2008 14:51:58




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
Hi ww,

Buy a tankless water heater.
Lowest cost to heat water as they only heat water when you demand hot water and they will supply hot water until you run out of water. There's no tank to store water and leak stored heat as time goes by. Hot water at the facuet with-in 15sec. About $550 for gas units.

The only other method of heating water any cheaper is solar HW heating. About $1000 for a DIY project but free hot water there after. Add a 2000gal underground storage tank and heat the house too.

T_Bone

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bellyacre

04-25-2008 10:54:23




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
Electric? If so, check with your power company. We put in a Marathon at least 20 years ago, replaced elements once, would certainly recommend it.



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R Bedell

04-25-2008 03:50:26




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
You are heating Gallons....not the shape or size,
50 Gallons is 50 Gallons if it short or tall.



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ww

04-25-2008 14:47:16




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to R Bedell, 04-25-2008 03:50:26  
the tall ones have an element on the bottom and top where are the short ones located?



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T_Bone

04-26-2008 16:51:47




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 14:47:16  
Hi ww,

Something to ponder, If your heating water with electricity your using the highest cost to heat water, about 6.71 times more expensive than heating with natural gas, 2.79 times more expensive than LP.

T_Bone



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ww

04-27-2008 02:16:51




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to T_Bone, 04-26-2008 16:51:47  
thanks t bone and the others its mostly used to heat water from the outside boiler I only use it in the summer when I shut down the boiler. I don't have gas or a place to vent it



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T_Bone

04-27-2008 09:02:18




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-27-2008 02:16:51  
Hi ww,

It's really not all that tuff to make a HW solar collector. With a 80gal storage tank, you could supply all your HW needs to a typical 4 person home.

A typical solar collector will produce 180� HW.

T_Bone



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circus

04-25-2008 03:08:05




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 Re: water heaters short or tall? in reply to ww, 04-25-2008 01:22:28  
It's just a question of fit. It's not convenient to replace all the plumbing required with a different size heater. A uninsulated tank feeding the heater will save energy in the summer.



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