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Greased utility trailer tires?

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Aaron Ford

04-22-2008 18:26:38




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I bought an old utility trailer for the tires/axle/spring for use on a canoe trailer I am building. I dismounted the tires so I could paint the wheels, and inside the tires was grease. Not a little on the bead, but a thick layer coating the entire inside of the tire. The grease had been there some time as the carrier oil had seperated leaving a red waxy substance 1/8 to 1/4 inch on the surface. The spare tire was fully inflated, but found to contain at least a gallon of water with some leaves floating around. The spare was mounted horizontal so I can understand that the spare had likely lost it's bead and was filled with water, then reinflated, but why the grease?

BTW, the utility trailer I bought had a pop-up camper chassis and was titled as a camper. I am replacing the chassis, is the title still valid if the springs/axles/tires are still used?

Thanks,

Aaron

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jose bagge

04-23-2008 04:22:52




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 Re: Greased utility trailer tires? in reply to Aaron Ford, 04-22-2008 18:26:38  
I have seen this before...
can be one of two things, other than some help " beading it up":
> Tire Slime- starts out green, but changes color as it dries out and over time. I usually find it black, but...

> "Liquid Balancer" - some folks buy this stuff to "balance" their tires; it's supposed to migrate to the "light spot" of the tire at high speeds. Get's pumped in just like slime.

Mount 'em up!

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rockyhawaii

04-22-2008 23:38:32




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 Re: Greased utility trailer tires? in reply to Aaron Ford, 04-22-2008 18:26:38  
Just a hint here. I used bathtub caulk to seal some stubborn rims, and it worked great.



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Aaron Ford

04-22-2008 19:26:38




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 Re: Greased utility trailer tires? in reply to Aaron Ford, 04-22-2008 18:26:38  
Well, all three tires match and are likely 5 years old, but still have the rubber nubs from casting. So not many miles.

I worked in a tire shop prior to the service and have been known to grease a bead to get a seal. But you can actually see where the stuff was smeared in. It is a red grease not unlike the Mobil 1 that I use. Like I said, 1/8 to 1/4 inch thick. Most was seperated, but some was still good old regular grease. It did not make sense to me, so I figured I would ask you guys. Wheels looked good, no rust, well except for that water filled one... Looks like I got my $40 bucks worth.

Thanks anyway,

Aaron

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Sid

04-22-2008 19:03:59




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 Re: Greased utility trailer tires? in reply to Aaron Ford, 04-22-2008 18:26:38  
Sound like somebody picked up an old tire laying around outside and put it on the rim then put some kind of sealer in it.



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landlord7012

04-22-2008 19:00:41




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 Re: Greased utility trailer tires? in reply to Aaron Ford, 04-22-2008 18:26:38  
Leaky bearing seal due to worn seal and/or groove worn on the axle shaft. Over active of "bearing buddies" will make a mess sometimes too. NAPA, Auto Zone, Advanced Auto and the like carry replacement bearings and seals, just take the old ones along. Couldn"t help you on the title - here in WI something that small doesn"t need a title.

Good luck,

Bill



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landlord7012

04-22-2008 19:04:41




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 Re: Greased utility trailer tires? in reply to landlord7012, 04-22-2008 19:00:41  
Sorry I misunderstood "inside". Could it be a prehistoric or homemade fix-a-flat remedy??

Bill



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Aaron Ford

04-22-2008 19:38:57




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 Re: Greased utility trailer tires? in reply to landlord7012, 04-22-2008 19:04:41  
Maybe.

Or possibly he thought that the grease would keep the tires from dry rotting? The tires look good, he may be on to something here. Had to drive rough though.

We will have to see if they hold up. Might have damaged 'em. Not sure.

Aaron



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rgvtx

04-22-2008 18:49:15




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 Re: Greased utility trailer tires? in reply to Aaron Ford, 04-22-2008 18:26:38  
I've seen the tire repair guys use grease to get the bead to seat on an old rim that's rusty or bent, maybe that's what your seeing?
As for water and leaves, who knows?
In Texas you would just register it as a home made trailer with the minimum amount of carrying capacity and be done with it. Not sure what state your in.



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RayP(MI)

04-22-2008 18:35:05




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 Re: Greased utility trailer tires? in reply to Aaron Ford, 04-22-2008 18:26:38  
Could it be a surplus of soap? My tire dealer uses gobs of Murphy's Oil Soap to mount tires which have a tendency to have bead leaks.



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JJ Flash

04-22-2008 19:45:03




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 Re: Greased utility trailer tires? in reply to RayP(MI), 04-22-2008 18:35:05  
If you run your finger along the outer lip of the rim, like where the wheel weight would reside, you may notice the area is somewhat flatter than what most steel rims might be like.

That would indicate that these are tube type rims.

A tubless rim will very noticebly be somewhat concave where the weight resides.


When putting tubless tires, mounted in their tubeless fashion on tube type rims they will leak at the bead area.

Some leak a lot and some leak a little. A common pratice at a tireshop usually by those not "in the know" will be to slather on tons of Murphys as previously noted, (or some other greaselike substance) so as to seat the bead and just act as a sealing agent. It usually only halfass works.

That is why the spare mounted horizontally went flat and fell off the bead filling with water.

And why these wheels will seemingly always be low on air.

Put tubes in them (if you can find tubes for le$$ than new wheels) or replace the rims.

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