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scooterhead

09-09-2001 13:27:05




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A fella gave me a air compresser with a 220 motor on it . The guy wired it to 110 and I would like to wire it back to 220 . Its made by the Wagner elec. corp. , model C1621 K2024 , 3/4 HP ,on a Ingersoll-Rand compresser . The wires coming out of the motor are one on top of the other in a row . As it is wired now the neg. is wired to the 3rd one from the bottom and the hot runs to one side of the pressure switch then to the 2nd wire from the bottom . Then the top and bottom wires are wire nuted together . Can anybody tell me the right way to wire this up on 220 , it is running on 110 .

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Neil

09-10-2001 08:21:56




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 Re: Elec. motor in reply to scooterhead, 09-09-2001 13:27:05  
It might be worth a call to a motor shop to ask what they charge to check it out for you.
Might just be the best $10 or $20 you can spend.



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paul

09-11-2001 12:22:44




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 Re: Re: Elec. motor in reply to Neil, 09-10-2001 08:21:56  
That's what I would do. I enjoy the info here, but if there is no clear info on the box of how to wire it, I would take it to the experts. Then my widow could at least collect benefits from the shop's insurance company if it's wired wrong. ;)

Friend of mine bought a used 10 hp motor at auction, was helping the licenced electrician install it & others at his new grain bin site. Well, sparks flew all over, the 8" unloading auger got holes in it from the arcing to a bin wall. Turns out the previous owner had wired up the ground wire as a hot & other stuff - whatever it was, the color coading was all wrong. Anyhow the electrician said by rights at least one of them, he or my friend, should have been killed by this 'goof'. No harm done other than a large fuse & a couple holes in the auger.

--->Paul

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Tom R

09-10-2001 07:43:40




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 Re: Elec. motor in reply to scooterhead, 09-09-2001 13:27:05  
Scooterhead.

A single-phase dual voltage reversible would have a minimum of 6 leads and could have 8. If your motor only has 4 leads it is either a single voltage reversible, of a dual voltage non-reversible. Look at the leads for markings like T1, T2 etc. Does the motor have a capacitor mounted on it? Does the motor have the wires on a phenol fiber terminal block with connections, or are there just wirernut connections ? Look on the back of the cover that covers the wire junction box, often times there is a diagram there.

For a look at some common connections look at the following site. They also list the standard color code if your motor is new enough, otherwise you will probably have only black leads with no markings, if that is the case you will need someone that is very familiar with motors to ohm out the windings for you.


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Good luck Tom R.

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Dusty MI.

09-10-2001 06:10:01




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 Re: Elec. motor in reply to scooterhead, 09-09-2001 13:27:05  
There should be a wiring diagram some where on the motor, sometimes it is on the back side of the cover that you take off to get to the motor leads.
For 220V you will have 2 hot leads and a ground to the frame.
Good Luck,
Dusty



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IC

09-09-2001 18:44:27




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 Re: Elec. motor in reply to scooterhead, 09-09-2001 13:27:05  
I am shooting from the top of my head, so don't take this to the bank just yet. Anybody else out there to comment on this.

Are you sure it was connected to 110volts. It looks like it is connected for 220 the way you described it.

For 110volts you should have 2 wires connected to the black (hot wire), and 2 wires connected to the neutral. This is what they call parallel of the windings.

For 220volts you should have one wire to the black (hot wire) , and 1 wire to the neutral and the other 2 tied together. This is what they call series of the windings.

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scooterhead

09-10-2001 02:54:50




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 Re: Re: Elec. motor in reply to IC, 09-09-2001 18:44:27  
IC , It has a 110 plug on it and it runs this way . It is only running on one hot wire , for 220 it would need 2 hot and a neg. would`nt it . Where would the other hot lead go ??



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IC

09-10-2001 19:10:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Elec. motor in reply to scooterhead, 09-10-2001 02:54:50  
Scooterhead, You are correct, on the 220v it should have read;
For 220volts you should have one wire from the 220 to replace the black (hot wire) , and the other wire from the 220 to replace the neutral and the other 2 tied together. This is what they call series of the windings. You do not need a neutral on the 220volt. But you still need a case ground. Check out what everyone else is saying, looks like some good information. "Good Luck"

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Bigdog

09-10-2001 09:03:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Elec. motor in reply to scooterhead, 09-10-2001 02:54:50  
What you are describing is a dual voltage motor with 2 separate windings. You hook the 2 windings in "parallel" for 110 and in "series" or end-to-end for 220V. You do not need the neutral line for 220V only. (run a ground wire to the case for safety) You can run only the 2 hots since you will not need a 110V tap off for anything else. If you disconnect everything including the jumper. You should be able to check with an ohmmeter to see which leads are connected through the windings. Each terminal should have continuity to only 1 other terminal. Then wire the 2 fields in series with each other (most likely the 2 inside terminals & connect the 220 to the outside terminals. Just throw the switch momentarily to see if the motor runs or just hums.

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