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(OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ???

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T_Bone

04-19-2008 02:05:27




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Hi All,

Well I don't download to many programs to squawk about that actually work, but this one sure does.

It's been a known fact that ISP's have been capping usage lately from 8am to 8pm. It appears that time has been extended on several faster systems (DSL & satellite) to midnight. Even my dial-up at best is 28.8kbps had been throttled to 13kbps and what a hit too take on such a slow connection to begin with. There's got to be something better but that's satellite or T1. There's no DSL, 3G or cable available here.

My before/after testing was at speedtest.net. This program lets you choose a close/far server for testing.

Example; my before testing was 13kbps(down), 226kbps(up) and 233ms ping.

My after tests, 24kbps(down), 413kbps(up) and 266ms ping.

This about average after running several tests at different times of the day/night.

The "FREE" program that I used, NETEagle, a simple speed boost program that works with any Ms windows OS system version, including Vista. I DL the program at ZD.net. About 1mb.

Very simple too use. Pick your OS and choose your connection type and reboot. That's it, no other choices to make.

The person who designed the program doesn't tell you what they did or what they changed. But if it requires a reboot then it changed the registry so be sure to back-up and create a restore point before installing "just incase". I had absolutly no glitchs after installing.

One thing I did do was choose DSL for my conncetion type even tho I have a dial-up ISP. That worked the fastest for my system out of the given choices. I tried the satellite, T1 and ADSL and ISDN settings with no additional speed increase over the DSL setting.

I'm now back to DL 11k packets at a time instead of the typical 3k packets. That increases my overall throughput to well above a 28.8kbps dial-up connection or about 115kbps(up/down) over 6hrs of use.

BTW, my son has DSL & XP and tried the NETEagel program and got a 25% average bandwidth boost increase but more important it lowerd his LATENCY by 34%, a huge speed increase.


What is latency?

Example that is sometimes given: Imagine people in an aircraft. In this example, people are the data packets, the size of the aircraft is the bandwidth, and the speed of the aircraft is the latency.

A 747 can carry about 400 people but a 707 can carry only 200 people. Both fly at about 500 knots.

If both leave New York at the same time, they will arrive in Los Angeles at the same time. Notice that although, the 747 has more capacity (or bandwidth) it is the same 500 knot speed (latency) as the 707.

T_Bone

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IH2444

04-20-2008 18:13:27




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2008 02:05:27  
TBone. I just got wireless net access. If you have at least 3 bars of wireless signal it works pretty well. I got mine thru ATT, but others offer them. G3 is not here yet either but it works around 200K for me with low 3 bars thru the regular cell service.

you can do it thru some cell phones with a cable and software or I got a little doohickey that plugs into my USB port. Got a USB extender cable and taped the sucker to my window frame for best reception.

I was paying $80/mo for ISDN which gave me true 64K thruput and paying an extra $15 to my isp for the ISDN access too. this was the best I could get though Sat was out of the question since I use VPN for my job from home and it will not work thru Sat.

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IH2444

04-20-2008 18:15:59




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to IH2444, 04-20-2008 18:13:27  
also the guy down the road from me has the same type access thru his cell phone with same carrier ATT. But he gets 4 bars of non G3 and gets over 1meg thruput. It appears the better the signal the faster the thruput.



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T_Bone

04-21-2008 23:20:05




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to IH2444, 04-20-2008 18:15:59  
Hi IH,

I've tried the free 56k service from Verizon and in my area, fringe, it just drops out too much to be reliable. My nearest cell tower is only 4 miles away but there's a 500ft hill between me and the tower. I'm thinking of adding a pass thru antenna to the top of the mountain for a relay type signal booster. That would mean my antenna would be at the mercy of all the idiots that can't leave something alone.

I have a feeling that satellite is not going to work for me for the same reasons it won't work for your VPN. I think my stock data packets will hit the trash can before they get delivered.

T_Bone

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woodbutcher

04-20-2008 03:59:29




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2008 02:05:27  
Thanks for the info, T Bone. Since I installed NETEagle a few days ago, I've noticed quicker response from my dial-up. Butch



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T_Bone

04-20-2008 05:36:29




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to woodbutcher, 04-20-2008 03:59:29  
Hi Butch,

Your welcome, Glad it worked for you!

If your running Vista, I found that running Defender full scan after a clean-up of IE7 and disk clean-up also improved preformance greatly. The test numbers didn't show any additonal improvement but page loads times greatly improved.

T_Bone



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DaveK(IN)

04-19-2008 13:16:41




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2008 02:05:27  
Thanks to everyone who contributed questions or answers. This was a very informative thread



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Moe Gilla

04-19-2008 09:38:15




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP An... in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2008 02:05:27  
I'm always a bit aprehensive when using third party programs to speed things up.

It usually entails going through someone elses (besides your "contracted and responsible" own internet provider's )server leaving yourself open to data mining by who knows who? And for what reason?

If somehow your data in transition is used in some way bad enough to cause you damage what recourse do you have?



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T_Bone

04-19-2008 10:06:26




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP An... in reply to Moe Gilla, 04-19-2008 09:38:15  
Hi Moe,

I too have your concerns and I try very few programs. I went thru three other programs before this one that didn't even come close to doing what they said the program would do. They were removed imediately and a restore was done to make sure they were gone forever.

I had to do something tho. At a 28.8kpbs connection, a hit too 13kbps was just not acceptable. I sure wish I could get DSL and get it over with.

T_Bone

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T_Bone

04-19-2008 10:04:45




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP An... in reply to Moe Gilla, 04-19-2008 09:38:15  
Hi Moe,

I too have your concerns and I try very few programs. I went thru three other programs before this one that didn't even come close to doing what they said the program would do. They were removed imediately and a restore was done to make sure they were gone forever.

I had to do something tho. At a 28.8kpbs connection, a hit too 13kbps was just not acceptable. I sure wish I could get DSL and get it over with.

T_Bone

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KEB1

04-19-2008 08:28:32




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2008 02:05:27  
I find it rather doubtful that any software program loaded on your computer can actually improve the bandwidth provided by someone else. What it can do, however, is make more efficient use of the available bandwidth. Thinks like more caching (keep a local copy of stuff you use regularly), limiting page updates, reading ahead, faster local processing of web pages, etc, can make it seem like a faster connection.

Have you tried measuring the actual connection speed with an independent program? There are a number of web sites that allow you to measure connection speed.

The real measure of connection speed is when you download a large file. When load web pages, etc., there is a lot of dead time. When downloading a large file, you will be limited by the actual connection bandwidth assuming that the local connection is in fact the limiting factor.

Its not that such programs are necessarily a bad thing, its just I get irritated at the way they market themselves.

Keith

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T_Bone

04-19-2008 09:50:26




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to KEB1, 04-19-2008 08:28:32  
Hi Kieth,

Yes I have as I explained. I tested at speed.net that has nothing to do with the program NETEagel, I think. I found the two in different places and they were not refferenced to one another so I assume they have no connections.

This program advertises that it will speed up your PC. It never said anything about increasing my ISP bandwidth. I took that to mean to speed up my OS by tweaking it to work better with what my ISP has given me too work with like any registry cleaner does.

Sorry I can't tell you what all the program does as they don't state what they do. I do know if the program requires a reboot then 10 to 1 there making/cleaning registry changes.

I stream data stock quotes on a regular basis. My thoughput has increased since I've been tweaking my Vista connection. The only number that matters to me is throughput as that's a real number that effects me on how I use my PC.

Thoughput= (total up/dn kbps)/time

T_Bone

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Monty Gomery

04-19-2008 07:57:49




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 Smoke mirrors and placebo effect in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2008 02:05:27  
Be happy, stay happy.


With dial up it's more like busses and rickshaws.


If I were to believe they could actually speed up a connection from a said provider without actually being that said provider, and was provided with legitimate technical terminalogy and data to back it up I would not have posted this reply.


Tell me I'm wrong, and why.



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T_Bone

04-19-2008 09:32:27




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 Re: Smoke mirrors and placebo effect in reply to Monty Gomery, 04-19-2008 07:57:49  
Hi Monty,

Lets make sure where on the same page here. We can not effect/change the ISP system but we can change the way our system interacts with the ISP system!

There's many glitchs in our windows system that effects how well our PC preforms with a ISP connection. If we make changes to OUR PC then we can increase the speed of our system to yield the best results that the ISP speed has given us too work with. Review bit-torrents for another explantion.

If we buy 100kbps from the ISP and only use 50kbps then we've lost 50% of the speed that we paid for. All were doing is trying to orperate at near maximum ISP speed that we bought.

T_Bone

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Joe in the snow

04-19-2008 09:13:25




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 Re: Smoke mirrors and placebo effect in reply to Monty Gomery, 04-19-2008 07:57:49  
You are wrong because busses are affection conveyed by physical lip contact(kisses), and buses are passenger vehicles.



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woodbutcher

04-19-2008 07:54:14




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2008 02:05:27  
That's very impressive, T Bone. I've been dealing with the same situation as far as dial-up, and I've noticed a slow-down lately. I think I'll give it a try.
I don't understand what ping is. Can you explain it to me?
Thanks for the info.
Butch



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T_Bone

04-19-2008 09:17:35




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to woodbutcher, 04-19-2008 07:54:14  
Hi Butch,

Besure and test before and after at the same web site so you can compare apples with apples. Not all tests are the same and will yield different results. Nothing wrong with that other than you won't know if you obtained a speed increase or not. As long as you use the same website then your pretty assurded of getting a good comparrasion. I like throwing in a mix of tests at different times of the day or night.

Ping is a command to send to a server a small packet of info and the time(ms) it takes for that packet to return to your client(you), measured in milliseconds (ms). The lower the ms number the faster your connection is.

Latency is alittle more complex number measured in ms that calculates the up/dn speed ratio of the test that was preformed and a true measure of connection speed at "that" time. Latency counts more in real preformance than bandwidth does as shown by the flight example.

I would rather have a connection at 30ms latency and 500kbps bandwidth than a connection at 100ms latency and 1500kbps bandwidth. Your overall throughput would be much faster with the 30/500 connection.

Throughput= (total snd/rec kbps) / time
Higher is better.

T_Bone

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3000OH

04-19-2008 16:30:40




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to T_Bone, 04-19-2008 09:17:35  
This is OT from your OT, but if Clearwire ever shows up in your area, you might check into it. Our only other choices down our long lane are dial-up or satellite. Clearwire isn"t as fast as good cable but we consistently see 1.3-1.5 down speeds. Also, don"t take Clearwire"s reception prediction software as gospel. We were initially told "no reception" but a dealer let us try a unit on a give-back basis and we got a signal right from the get-go. Very easy install - just plugged it in and "puter instantly saw it - and we"ve had rock solid service even thru heavy rain & snow. It is a line of sight system, so a heavy forest might be a significant attenuator. We"re at least 3 miles from the tower, btw.

Other than that, cross your fingers that WiMax or a similar next-gen system really does get rolled out.

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T_Bone

04-20-2008 05:47:45




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 Re: (OT) Speed Boost From Dial-up To Satellite Via ISP And ? in reply to 3000OH, 04-19-2008 16:30:40  
Hi OH,

Clearview isn't in the Phoenix area. Thanks anyway.

I ran into a guy last year with Wi-Max in Neveda. NV is one of the Wi-Max test States, 5 total???. I was using a different speed testing website at that time but his numbers were slow for what I was expecting from the sales hype.

I remember his ping time at 200ms as reported from the same site I was using. The problem with Wi-Max is the slow latency between towers, 100ms, but it's still huge increase than what I have now.

T_Bone

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