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J Schwiebert

04-16-2008 15:24:31

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Is there a form for questions relating to wood working? I have been the sub at the local high school ag department and all the classes are out in shop right now. First question, How close should biscuts be spaced when glueing boards togeter. Second part how do the work foe end grain? A couple of the girls want to build simple night satands to put a clock radio on. Wood is pin and about 19 X 20 when it is all glued together. Thanks a bunch. J.

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chvet73

04-16-2008 20:32:09

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Re: Little bit off-topic. still tool related in reply to J Schwiebert, 04-16-2008 15:24:31

I've been teaching High School Woodworking and Drafting since 1974. Biscuits are not needed on edge glued work. On end grain anything you do to help would be great. Yellow glue is basically white glue with color. It's not worth the extra money. I have projects I built in the 70's that are still together, that I used white glue on. I never have used anything else in the classroom but white glue. Elmer's will do the job just fine.

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evilboweviel

04-16-2008 17:39:43

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Re: Little bit off-topic. still tool related in reply to J Schwiebert, 04-16-2008 15:24:31

2 inches to center of biscuits on the ends
4 inches center to center for the rest of the joint. Ron

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evilboweviel

04-16-2008 17:41:39

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Re: Little bit off-topic. still tool related in reply to evilboweviel, 04-16-2008 17:39:43

also let the wood shrink back to normal after glue up before sanding or you will end up with depressions in the wood the shape of the biscuits due to sanding while the wood was swollen from the moisture in the glue
Ron

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KEH

04-16-2008 16:58:31

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Re: Little bit off-topic. still tool related in reply to J Schwiebert, 04-16-2008 15:24:31

Google woodworking forums. The one I like is run by Woodsmith Magazine.

Biscuits are good to line up boards, especially if they are a little bowed. Otherwise, for solid wood glued edge to edge biscuits are unecessary, especially for a small top like that. A good glue joint is stronger than the wood around it. Biscuits are very good for manufactured boards like MDF. If you are gluing end grain to edge grain the joint needs all the help you can get.
Agree with Fawteen on the glue types.

KEH

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Fawteen

04-16-2008 16:33:27

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Re: Little bit off-topic. still tool related in reply to J Schwiebert, 04-16-2008 15:24:31

I ain't much of a woodworker, but I have used biscuits almost exclusively since I discovered them.

For a 20" glue joint, 3 biscuits will do fine.

As an experiment when I first started using them, I glued up a "T" with the biscuit in the end grain of the leg and the side grain of the cross bar.

After letting it set up for 24 hours, I chucked it in a vice and deliberately tried to break the joint. The wood split before the joint let go.

If joining end-to-end, be sure and saturate the joint with good quality carpenter's glue.

My experience with the urethane glues (Gorilla Glue and others) has not been very impressive, but that may be something I'm doing wrong. All the same, I prefer a good yellow glue.

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evilboweviel

04-16-2008 17:37:33

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Re: Little bit off-topic. still tool related in reply to Fawteen, 04-16-2008 16:33:27

Gorilla Glue did very poor in a recent test of glues.
a good wood glue like Titebond will work fine for the majority of woodworking
Ron

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