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Ideas on how to run PVC across a creek

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IC

09-05-2001 19:21:03




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Any good ideas on how to get a 1" water line across a small creek so it will not freeze during the winter. The problem is there is solid rock in the bottom of the creek and can not get below the frost line (which is 12inches). It is only about 8 feet across it. Would black pipe or galvanized pipe be better for this than sch 40 PVC ?




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Farmer/Paul

09-08-2001 04:55:19




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 Re: Ideas on how to run PVC across a creek in reply to IC, 09-05-2001 19:21:03  
The water line for the whole conncesion road ( about 14 homes on the line) crosses 2 creeks. The water line (black plastic) just lays in the bottom of the creek. As was mentioned earlier if the water flows fairly steady in your creek, your line will never freeze.



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jf

09-07-2001 06:58:09




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 Re: Ideas on how to run PVC across a creek in reply to IC, 09-05-2001 19:21:03  
I had a simular situation and built a rustic looking foot bridge across the creek and was able to hide the water pipe under the bridge. You could easily hide an insulation box under there as well.



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Greaseman

09-06-2001 16:40:11




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 Re: Ideas on how to run PVC across a creek in reply to IC, 09-05-2001 19:21:03  
I will go with the idea of using a wooden box to support the styrofoam. Only, use pressure treated lumber for rot resistance. Then contact your larger industies in your are (Xerox, Kodak, etc.) they may well have some styrofoam pieces that they will either give to you or sell at a low price to just get rid of them. Say "PLEASE" and you might well bring in some donuts, etc. for them



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Len

09-06-2001 15:25:17




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 Re: Ideas on how to run PVC across a creek in reply to IC, 09-05-2001 19:21:03  
Find a local contractor with a rock saw. Eight feet by 12" deep wouldn't take long. Then it's buried and out of the way. When you break a 1" line you will loose a lot of water probably a long time before you realize it 'cause it'll be runing down the stream.



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Steve U.S. Alloys

09-06-2001 05:36:11




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 Re: Ideas on how to run PVC across a creek in reply to IC, 09-05-2001 19:21:03  
Without giving it much thought---I'd consider laying a copper line flat on the creek bottom and anchored to the bank on both ends. Might even cover it with larger rock. Shouldn't catch any debris that way.

If the creek runs all year the water will never freeze. If not, as stated by another gentleman, insulation or an airspace within a larger pipe should serve you well with a frost line of only 12".

It may help to clear away any brush that shades the line. Heating the water after you get it where its going may be expensive too if the creek water is cold all year.

Interesting challenge.

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BB

09-06-2001 04:54:43




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 Re: Ideas on how to run PVC across a creek in reply to IC, 09-05-2001 19:21:03  
First, what is the danger of high water loaded with trash washing out the pipe?

To keep from freezing, put the 1" pipe inside a larger (3" or 4") pipe. Get several cans of the expanding foam insulation in a spray can (get the kind that expands to the greatest volume). Keeping the small pipe centered in the larger pipe, spray in the foam insulation. You may have to drill an occasional small hole in the larger pipe to get the insulation in the middle of the large pipe. You will want to take it slow and make sure you get a full fill end to end.

This will give you a well insulated pipe that should withstand temperatures well below freezing, particularly if the water is flowing. You may want to use black pipe for the outer pipe for strength.

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F14

09-06-2001 03:42:18




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 Re: Ideas on how to run PVC across a creek in reply to IC, 09-05-2001 19:21:03  
I think I'd go with the black pipe as it's more flexible, and you don't have to worry about joints popping or leaking.

If your frost is only down 12" it must not get too cold for too long. I'd think you could box it in with 4 to 6" of rigid styrofoam insulation sheet and get away with it. The frost line is 4 feet minimum here, and when we hit bedrock and can't get down far enough, that's what we do.

I've seen black pipe layed on top of the ground, in a "box" of 8" of styrofoam, with a foot or so of dirt over the top. It gets through our Maine winters that way.

Where yours will be suspended across the creek, I'd probably build a wooden box, line it with the styrofoam, run the pipe through the middle and call it good. The purpose of the wood is to keep animals from tearing up the foam, and to give things some support as it spans the creek.

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Nolan

09-06-2001 03:39:11




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 Re: Ideas on how to run PVC across a creek in reply to IC, 09-05-2001 19:21:03  
Are you close enough for the electric heat tapes? I've not seen one that is supposed to buried or exposed directly to water, but I'm sure they do exist. Though you could double wall the pipe (inside say a 3" pipe), seal the ends, and have the tape in there I suppose.

Is the water going to be constantly flowing through this 1" pipe? If so, you may not have an issue at all.

I'll be curious to see some of the other suggestions. I'm sure there's some better ones then mine. :-)

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