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glennster

04-07-2008 18:24:15

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been looking around for a target pistol for the kids. looking for a .22 caliber western stlye single action revolver, kind of like a colt sa style. would like it to be able to shoot shorts, longs and long rifles. been to some of the local gun shops, everything looks like either a dirty harry cannon or something out of star wars. any body got any suggestions? just looking for a good solid plain ole western style pistol.

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Rusty Wheel

04-10-2008 21:09:28

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Colt made a model called the frontier scout. It came with a mag cylinder. I have one. It's on the order of the Ruger Single Six. They are both fine guns. I think the Colt had a little better finish on it. I had a Ruger too. Smith and Wesson made a model called the K-22. It too is a fine pistol but it is a double action. rw

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Joe from MN.

04-10-2008 16:10:56

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

I own a Ruger BearCat -- it does all you want plus it's small and works for kids -- what to buy it ?????

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sean mcdonnell

04-09-2008 08:55:20

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Ruger single six is hard to beat. They are a very reliable piece. Only downside might be the reloading as it's a bit slow being a "gate style" frame. My Father has a taurus 9 shot .22 and it's a very nice gun plus side is that's it's a double action and has the swing out cylinder. Makes loading a little quicker. just my 2 cents.

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Stan in Oly, WA

04-09-2008 15:07:02

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to sean mcdonnell, 04-09-2008 08:55:20

Hi Sean,

I have one of those, and there is a downside--with mine, anyway. The cylinder and/or barrel foul faster from using lead bullets than with any .22 caliber handgun or rifle I have ever owned. The fouling makes the accuracy go straight into the dumpster. Once I figured out what was happening it was no problem to make sure I only run jacketed bullets through it. If they cost more than unjacketed lead bullets, it's by an insignificant amount, but it was really annoying until I figured out what was the matter.

Other than that it's a well made, comfortable, good shooting little revolver.

All the best, Stan

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jose bagge

04-08-2008 09:38:54

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

i gave my son an H&R 9 shot .22 revolver with a speedloader many, many years ago. It was a nice pawnshop find that he plinked with in the backyard for a long time.

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Goose

04-08-2008 09:05:02

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

You couldn't go wrong with a Ruger. For one thing, they keep their resale value. I just bought a "New Bearcat" .44 Mag, but that's more than you're looking for.

In a weak moment, I once bought a Heritage Rough Rider SA convertible. (.22LR or .22Mag). The first thing that happened, after about 20 rounds, was the front sight fell off. Then the entire barrel came loose in the frame. It cost me $75 to send it in to the factory. They replaced the entire barrel and test fired it for accuracy under warranty, but now I have an extra $75 tied up in it, and I don't really trust it.

A bit of advice. For starting kids out, it may be wise to start with a basic single shot, instead of something where it's easy for them to imagine themselves as an Old West gunslinger.

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glennster

04-08-2008 08:54:08

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

wow, thanks for all the options. now i gotta go out and start looking at all these. the kids love to shoot, they started out with paintball guns, went to pellet and air rifles and pistols, then to the .410 shotgun for trap. for the .22"s they have been shooting my remington nylon 66 semi auto and my lever action .22. but they like pistols too. they shoot the .45 1911a and my .380 bda browning, but they will go thru some ammo quick!! thats why i am going to the single action, slows em down, and a lot cheaper to shoot. thanks for all your help, glenn

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ktheo1

04-08-2008 07:44:57

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Ruger single six ,no need to look further

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greygoat

04-08-2008 07:33:11

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

I sure like my "Iver Johnson", made by the Iver
Johnson bicicle works, prior to WW II. It breaks
open in the middle and is a 9 shot revolver.

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JerryU

04-08-2008 07:37:15

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to greygoat, 04-08-2008 07:33:11

Didn't know anyone else had one. I had an I-J just like you describe. Sold it to my brother in law. Top break fairly long barrel. Ultimate in simplicity.

Not into guns any more, though - mostly did shotguns for pheasant hunting til I moved out of Iowa.

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TimV

04-08-2008 07:19:10

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Glennster: the Ruger Single Six is probably the gold standard here, but there's plenty of other guns that would work. I owned a Heritage Rough Rider but got rid of it when the sear and timing mechanism broke with minimal use. Gun dealer I bought it from (who I've done plenty of business with and had always dealt with me honestly) bought it back for his cost, which I figured was a decent deal all the way around. He said it wasn't the first one he'd sold that had problems. This was nearly 10 years ago, so they might have improved since then. Ended up with a an old High Standard 9-shot double-action, which is a nice, cheap gun--being double action means that I can use it single-action in 90% of circumstances but the double action capability is there if needed or desired. This gun has had many, many hundreds of rounds put through it by "kids from 8 to 80" with very few failures to fire, most of which could be traced to cheap ammo. While it of course can't shoot .22 Magnum rounds, these are of questionable utility in a pistol anyway--might as well go to .32 magnum or a light .38 load for the same money and not much larger of a gun.

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projacktech

04-10-2008 17:11:50

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advice on the hi-standard in reply to TimV, 04-08-2008 07:19:10

I to have an old hi-standard 9 shot double action. My question is: if the cylinder has slop where it connects to the barrel can this be dangerous? I have not shot it in a long time but it worrys me that maybe the bullet is striking the edge of the barrel when coming out of the cylinder. Any idea's?

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Mike M

04-08-2008 07:59:33

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to TimV, 04-08-2008 07:19:10

You have a top notch dealer !!!!

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TimV

04-08-2008 10:51:16

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to Mike M, 04-08-2008 07:59:33

I also have an extensive gun collection that requires proper care and feeding, which I do in cash on a regular basis, mostly through him. I'm sure he sent it back to the factory and got his money out of it, or at least close enough that it wasn't worth losing several thousand dollars of business over the profit on a $150 gun that he had recommended to me originally. Basic economics on his end, though there's plenty of dealers (gun and otherwise) that apparently didn't take that class!

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TxFarmallFan

04-08-2008 07:04:04

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Hard to beat a Ruger, but I bought a little heritage arms thats pretty decent. Good for plinking and plenty cheap.

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dhermesc

04-08-2008 05:55:04

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

A good plain western style revolver - Ruger single six runs about $400 - about as good as you can get.

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For a decent CHEAP "plain" western style revolver for some kids to shoot cans with - go with the Heritage Rough Rider .22. Not nearly as nice as the Ruger but not near the price - about $125 at a good shop. Never seen one that didn't go BANG when you pulled the trigger.Link

I>Link wasn't aware they made it in .32 magnum - might have to check it out a little closer.

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Mike M

04-08-2008 05:36:10

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Don't know what your budget is ? Ruger is a fine gun other brands like a Heritage Arms may be fine too and lots cheaper price! I have one , but haven't shot it very much. I have shot my Rugers plenty. I have had some of the Rugers lacking in quality compared to the ones I have bought before so I have not bought any in a long time. I'd look into an H&R break open type as the are alot easier to load and unload. Last time we went out for a shooting session my Daughter was using a Ruger double action SP100 ? or something like that in 32 H&R mag. that belonged to my cousin. I really should get her one as she was deadly accurate with it. Much better than some of the others she has shot. And she hasn't shot that much at all.

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CWL

04-08-2008 04:25:04

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Ruger all the way!

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36 coupe

04-08-2008 03:23:51

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

The new Model Ruger Bearcat is a good kid size revolver.Shorts and LR cartridges are hard to find.Standard velocity 22 ammo is more accurate in revolvers.Sub sonic ammo is quiet and accurate.

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Fawteen

04-08-2008 00:56:49

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Ruger Single Six. Reasonably priced, excellent quality, rugged, and single action is about as "safe" as it gets.

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dlplost

04-07-2008 23:09:26

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Ruger or H&R, both are about the best you can get for a .22. Try to get a "convertable" so you can have .22 mag also as they grow up they'll want it for more power. There is no problem using shorts and LR in the same cylinder as long as you clean the cylinder as you should.
I have the H&R 676 with both cylinders, excelent gun.

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Al -VA

04-07-2008 22:26:31

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Try Bass on the internet. They have several to chose from. I would suggest a pellet gun to begin with for inexpensive shooting and a bit safer.

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buickanddeere

04-07-2008 19:36:57

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

There are some very accurate, good handling and very, very economical to shoot air pistols.
Kids don't develop a flinch from noise or recoil either from air pistols. Watch shooters, the number of people who shut their eyes and yank the trigger will amaze you.

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cowman1

04-07-2008 19:26:11

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Colt Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

There is nothing like a Colt!! H&R is good but the triggers can be sensitive. Make sure the triggers are not sensitive for kids! Revolvers are the safesest for kids. The Small frame Colt Police Positive is a great kids pistol. Go to a gun show and find one, look for one that isnt of a collector grade, that would be with worn blue, and tight worker. There were moutains of these made. Even a NEW poor quality pistol isnt as good as a well used Colt PP. A pistol of Colt quality will never loose value. It isnt a good idea to use shorts in the same gun as LR, which now are not only hard to find but cost as much as LR so why use them.

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PJH

04-07-2008 19:11:09

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

I second the Ruger single six revolver. I have one and I like it. They come with a magnum cylinder also, but I seldom shoot any magnums. I remember that the early ones could be dropped on the hammer and it would fire. I heard of a young lady who was killed when one fell on a railroad rail and shot her in the head. I think the Ruger company would refit them with a safety hammer that prevented them from firing without the trigger being depressed. Might be some around that weren't redone, but you can easily tell by looking it over good.

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Fawteen

04-08-2008 00:58:32

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to PJH, 04-07-2008 19:11:09

The old "three-screw" Single Six did not have the transfer bar safety. They're somewhat hard to find even if you're looking for one.

If you DO get a deal on one, Ruger will upgrade it at no charge. Just return it to the factory.

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old

04-07-2008 18:59:21

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Look around for an H&R not top of the line but not all that bad either. They can be had in both single and double action and they're a lot cheaper then the big name brands one. I had a 949 H&R till the cop stole it from me. Yep the police took it and would not give it back but thats a long story

Hobby farm

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2x4

04-08-2008 01:35:22

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to old, 04-07-2008 18:59:21

ya, they make a living doing that. They tried to steal my .22 but I told my lawyer "when you it it back from them you get paid." He got it back. I never could have.

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Lumbrjakman

04-07-2008 18:32:05

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to glennster, 04-07-2008 18:24:15

Ruger single six is a great pistol , and very much a western style pistol.

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glennster

04-07-2008 19:02:11

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to Lumbrjakman, 04-07-2008 18:32:05

wow thats a nice looking rascal!!! i'll have to see if i can track one down, thanks a bunch!! i had a ruger vaquero 45 long colt years ago, real nice gun, but exxxpensive to shoot!!

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wyod

04-07-2008 18:48:36

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Re: ? for you gun gurus in reply to Lumbrjakman, 04-07-2008 18:32:05

'mo definitely... the ruger is a fine piece!

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