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kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh

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redtom

04-07-2008 16:22:44




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Okay, I'm having a dumb attack: my daughter's homework is on power and electric. so here goes:
P=VxI power equals volts times current(amps) not too hard

The SI unit for power is joules/second. I;m not sure what that means?

E=Pxt energy used equals power, times time
1000 hours in a kWh

question:headlight uses 30 amps @12 volts, power equals? She thinks 360 joules/second

Question: energy used by headlight for 3 hours (answer must be in kWh)

What's a joule?

How do you apply question one into question two?

How can she find kWh without finding watts?
(show your work)

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TomH in PA

04-09-2008 18:33:49




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to redtom, 04-07-2008 16:22:44  
When doing any physics problem always pay attention to the units. Write them all down at every step:

Power = (volts * amps)/second
Power = (12 volts * 30 amps)/second
Power = 360 volts*amps/second

Energy = Power * Time
Energy = 360 volts*amps/second * 3 hours
Energy = 360 volts*amps/second * 3*60*60 seconds
Energy = 3888000 volts*amps
Energy = 3888000 volts*amps * (3600 seconds/3600 seconds)
Energy = (3888000 volts*amps / 3600 seconds) * 3600 seconds
Energy = 1080 volts*amps / second * 3600 seconds

For convenience we give a special name to volts*amps/second, we call it a watt. We call 1000 watts a kiloWatt, or kW.

Energy = 1080 watts * 3600 seconds
Energy = 1.08 kW * 3600 seconds
Energy = 1.08 kW * 3600 seconds * ( 1 hour/3600 seconds)
Energy = 1.08kW * hour

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MarkB_MI

04-10-2008 03:14:09




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to TomH in PA, 04-09-2008 18:33:49  
Tom, you're right in that it is important to keep track of the units, but you need to check your examples.

Power is measured in volt-amps, not volt-amps per second. (If you'd said "volt-coulombs per second", that would be correct.) A watt is a volt-amp (in the dc, at least).

Likewise, energy is in volt-amp-seconds or volt-amp-hours.



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dr sportster

04-09-2008 15:16:20




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to redtom, 04-07-2008 16:22:44  
I hate when they call E V instead.Its just not right.In old books there is no mention of voltage,only electromotive force[E][EMF],what we now call voltage.E=voltage.



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Pooh Bear

04-08-2008 19:00:58




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to redtom, 04-07-2008 16:22:44  
It's real easy.

You take a one kilogram block and accelerate it from zero to 1 meter/second

in a distance of one meter. This equals a force of 1 Newton.

If you apply a force of one Newton for a distance of one meter

Then you have done work equal to one Newton-Meter or one Joule.

If you do one Joule in one second your power output is one Watt.

If your power output is 3600 Joules in one hour (3600 seconds)

then you have produced 1 Kilowatt-hour.

Pooh Bear

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Pooh Bear

04-07-2008 19:04:54




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to redtom, 04-07-2008 16:22:44  
One Watt-Hour = 3600 Joules

One Joule/second = 1 Watt

Joules = Energy

Watts = Power

Volts x Amps = Power = Watts

Pooh Bear (aka Fluff For Brains)



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david - or

04-07-2008 18:14:02




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to redtom, 04-07-2008 16:22:44  
One aspect of the question has not been addressed, namely how to find kWH without finding P.

One way is as follows:

Compute the total amount of electric charge moved

I = Q / T (Amps = Coulomb / Second by definition)

So Q (charge) = I * T

t = 3 hours * 3600 seconds / hour

t = 10800 seconds

Q = 30 * 10800 = 324000 coulombs

Now compute the total amount of energy to move that charge:

E = Q * V

324000 coulombs * 12 volts = 3888000 joules

So we have the answer stated in terms of energy, just need to convert it to the desired units

1 kWH = 3600000 joules (unit conversion)

3888000 / 3600000 = 1.08 kwh

At no time did we compute the instantaneous power to arrive at the answer.

If the class has not yet covered the concept of "coulombs" then this might be considered a bit too cute.

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redtom

04-07-2008 18:06:16




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 thanks, guys in reply to redtom, 04-07-2008 16:22:44  
Thanks for your help.



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buickanddeere

04-07-2008 17:49:12




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to redtom, 04-07-2008 16:22:44  
1 joule = 1 watt second. 1 watt per hour = 3600 joules. They are little critters.



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buickanddeere

04-07-2008 17:46:26




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to redtom, 04-07-2008 16:22:44  
V X A = W works on DC or AC with unity power factor.
Otherwise V X A = volt amps, not watts if there is reactive power.
V X A X P.F. = true power



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TopCat in NC

04-07-2008 17:13:08




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to redtom, 04-07-2008 16:22:44  
should be 360* 1Kw/1000*3= 1.08Kwh or 360 watts times 3 hours = 1080 watt/hours then divide by 1000 to get kilowatt hours ex. 1080/1000= 1.08 Kilowatt hours.
Hope this helps Dan



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midwstfarm

04-07-2008 16:36:16




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to redtom, 04-07-2008 16:22:44  
joule is unit of energy.

power is energy/ time. unit of power is watt

Watt=J/s
360 W * ( 1000W/1 KW) *3hr= kWhr



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redtom

04-07-2008 16:44:50




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to midwstfarm, 04-07-2008 16:36:16  
Okay, explain you last line for me. You're saying:360 times 1000 divide by one, times 3?? will equal kwh to run head light for 3 hours?



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midwstfarm

04-07-2008 17:06:28




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to redtom, 04-07-2008 16:44:50  
made a mistake should be (1 kW/1000W)

360 Watts divde by 1000 W, multiply by 1 kW, this converts watts to kilowatts

to get kWh multiply by your hours

360W *(1 kW/1000W) * 3 hr= kWh



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balatonm

04-08-2008 11:16:10




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to midwstfarm, 04-07-2008 17:06:28  
Your all nuts. i cant understand eny of that.



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steveormary

04-10-2008 06:47:51




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 Re: kids homework,kWh, power and energy?, duh in reply to balatonm, 04-08-2008 11:16:10  
And I thought my contractors exam was hard.

steveormary



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