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jose bagge

04-06-2008 05:07:15




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what are the pro's and cons of pintle hooks vs tow balls? Looks like the military uses pintles almost exclusively, based on what I see towed in and out of Quantico. Looks like most construction equipment is towed on pintles as well.

What's the deal with these?




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DiyDave

04-11-2008 16:03:20




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
You can always get the reese receiver hitch that has a 2-5/16 ball built into the pintle hitch, that way you can use either hitch system!



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dave2

04-07-2008 22:47:54




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
Pintle type hookup (more of a drop pin type) is the common thing here in Germany for commercial use and farm equipment. Horse trailers, campers, car trailers, etc use ball. I have a receiver hitch on the PU and have a 2" ball and another with the drop pin. Comes in real handy at hay time or when I want to move a water tank with the wife along (she refuses to ride the tractor, cause the dog gets first pick of which fender to set on).

Dave

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Tim in OR

04-06-2008 20:22:24




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
I drive a truck and trailer (105,500 gross wt.) for work. The gross for the truck is 58,000, leaving about 48,000 for the trailer(give or take). It uses a pintle hitch with a air operated plunger that pushes the eye back and tight on the pintle. There is no way I would want to put that kind of load or stresses on a ball hitch.
I do believe it is easier to get a correct connection with the pintle hitch too.
Have to hook and unhook frequently as the fork lift is hanging on the back of the truck, and won't come off till I drop the trailer.
Tim in OR

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macco

04-06-2008 18:49:33




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
Pintle so much faster and easier to hook up to. I'm in construction work and pintle trailer hitches are always getting pulled around with backhoes and chains. They hold up well to "hired help".



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Aberdale Farm

04-06-2008 18:45:19




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
I've had a couple friends that lost their trailers going down the road with ball hitches. Sure, they were probably hooked up incorrectly or were worn out.

I've always had pintle hitches on my bumper pull trailers. I haven't really noticed that much fore/aft play. And I've never had a trailer come unhitched. I guess it depends on what you get used to.

Dale



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Dave Sherburne NY

04-06-2008 17:43:15




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
You get less people wanting to borrow a pintle hitch.



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El Toro

04-06-2008 16:32:26




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
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We used this Heavy Field Dynamometer for conducting drawbar and cooling tests on military vehicles. The 3 absorption trailers all had pintles and the dynamometer had one on the rear for coupling the trailers to it. We had drawbar pull of over 100000 pounds and never broke a pintle or a lunette. We did break one of the towbars on one of the trailers, but we think ice may have weaken it. When couldn't hold a vehicle
like the M1A1 tank and the German Leopard tank we used the M88 Recovery Vehicle behind the last trailer so we could hold them. We would run stalls just using the M88's brakes. Hal
PS: You had to cotter pin those pintles or they would come open.

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Jlmtractor

04-06-2008 15:15:11




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
I haul a little over 11 thousand pounds together. that is bobcat skidsteer and trailer and the pintle hook has a lot of slop back and forth so i use a ball hitch. I have never had to replace the reciever on the trailer. if you are doing this trying to decide what hitch for your truck buy a combonation pintle ball hitch. that is what I use because my wire trailers are pintle hooks



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Mike M

04-06-2008 13:18:02




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
If you ever had a ball hitch pop off on you then it is much easier to see why a pintle is soooo much better.



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Dale B

04-06-2008 13:53:04




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to Mike M, 04-06-2008 13:18:02  
If you've ever had the upper latch open on a pintle hitch while towing something , you'll see why the ball coupler is alot better. Pivot bolt snapped at the grease hole, latch fell right off.



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Hitches

04-06-2008 18:07:38




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to Dale B, 04-06-2008 13:53:04  
Grease hole? Pintle hitches are supposed to have another safety pin go through the upper pivoting part that prevents it from ever opening. I guess a pintle hitch could wear out or be abused too? If a ball is better, how come really heavy loaded trailers use a pintle hitch?



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Hitches

04-06-2008 12:20:24




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
Pintles on dump trucks for pups have an air powered cushion device to take all the slop out of the connection. Ball hitches wear out internally and need to be replaced occasionally. Pintle is simpler, has a more positive connection, even if there is some play, much easier to hook up and rated for more capacity. I prefer a pintle by a big margin.



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buickanddeere

04-06-2008 11:11:36




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
Pintle. It will even work on a fram tractor with a top strap on the drawbar.



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Scott.ID

04-06-2008 10:26:55




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
I asked my dad (Korean vet) about this years ago, and he told me that the main reason was that you could use the same hitch from a tank down to a forklift or dolly. No messing around with different size hitches depending on the towing rig or trailer capacity.

The mitten/glove issue makes perfect sense, though.

Scott



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CNKS

04-06-2008 10:26:24




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
Main thing is to get a ball rated for the load -- you don't need a pintle for routine trailer towing. My car trailer has a 7500 lb rating, thus I use a 2 inch ball rated for more than that, most are only rated at 5000#, with the higher ratings used with the larger balls. As others said, the pintle is better suited to heavier loads, such as the ones the highway dept dump trucks use.



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Sagebrusher

04-06-2008 08:01:50




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
The AF uses pintles exclusively for their MHU 141, 110 and newer series muntions trailers. They also used Pintles for older trailers like the MF 9 that was made specificaly for the AIM 26 A/B Falcon.

Flt Line support compressors, generators, lite alls, A/C tow bars. Almost everything that is aircraft related uses pintles. Any size/weight rating can be hooked to almost any vehicle from bobtails to fork lifts to tow tugs, five ton GPs and tractors. We even had pintles on our gators and golf carts to tow test equipment and tool boxes.

I would say that interchange-ability (sp?) and versatility for the military are the main reasons. They are very quick to use, forgiving of alignment tolerances when hooking up and easy to see if they are properly secured and pinned.

As Joe M said, they can be worked in almost any conditions with any type of gloves from mittens to Chem Warfare gear. The troops only need to train on one system for everything.

About the only down side is the slop/movement on take off, slow down or stopping. Most pintle equipped AF equipment was restricted to 25mph and ten mph if loaded with munitions.

My seven civilain trailers have standard ball hitches. Even the ATV's garden trailer has a ball hitch.

Cheers Don

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Aaron Ford

04-08-2008 13:31:01




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 AFSC? in reply to Sagebrusher, 04-06-2008 08:01:50  
Hey Don, were you a 461, 462 or an AGE fella? I was a 462 from 92-96. 4 year wonder!

Aaron



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Sagebrusher

05-12-2008 06:47:08




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 Way O.T. Re: AFSC? in reply to Aaron Ford, 04-08-2008 13:31:01  
Hi Aaron, Sorry for the very late response. Been using the "old" version of the board and just stumbled accoss your message. Trained as a 462 in "68, picked up 461 duties around "83, wore two hats off and on until I retired as the Wing Weapons Manager in 2003. F/TF 102A, RF4-C, F4-G, A-10A. Load, Armament, LSC, and BB stackin". I could go anywhere on base or in the world and be considered an orphan.- - -

"Without weapons the Air Force is just another unscheduled airline!" Or the one I never could get, I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S! (the more I thought about that one the more I decided that the two negatives did make a positive.) It"s all about hot steel on target.

Thank you for asking and thank you for your service. What color hat did you wear with what outfit? We could have brushed stripes and never even known it. Cheers Don

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MCL

04-06-2008 07:52:15




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
I personally don't like the pintle hitch account all the slack and the beating that goes with it. Everything of mine has a 2", 2 5/16" or gooseneck balls. If I were towing heavy construction equipment or something similar I would probably use a pintle though.



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circus

04-06-2008 07:32:56




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
Pintle is heavier duty



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TractormanNC

04-06-2008 06:18:37




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
Pintle hook for me. Agree with John T, fewer people wanting to "borrow" your trailer. Those who have a pintle hook on their truck are PROBABLY knowledgeable enough to pull a trailer correctly.

No size differences usually. I have seen too many clowns hook a 2 in hitch to a 1 7/8 ball and hit the road. Saw one come apart where a 2 5/16 hitch had been hooked to a 2 in ball. Not safe!



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John T

04-06-2008 05:52:43




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
Ive owned BOTH and for me the Pintle was easier to back up to and hook on when alone versus the ball. One can just get it close and as you lower the jack shove the trailer close enough and it will drop down over the hook versus the ball which has to be right on. ALSO you get less buddies wanting to borrow your trailer if its a Pintle lol. I did notice some noise and bumping versus the ball which has less play.

John T

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Joe M(GA)

04-06-2008 05:51:15




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 Re: ball vs pintle in reply to jose bagge, 04-06-2008 05:07:15  
Pintle hitches were mainly used in the military because they could be operated in any condition ( i.e. with gloves or mittens)the speed of hook up, and the fact that you don't have to right on with your placement to hook up. Lots of pintles will also pivot all the way around, very handy off road. I have one on my chipper, I love it because it's a pain to get lined up just right by yourself. The worst drawback is the fact that it does allow the item being towed to move around quite a bit on the hitch when starting and stopping. They also can be made quite large to carry loads of weight.

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