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Bill in NorthCe

03-26-2008 05:43:37




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I am putting up a concession stand for our local Little League. Some arsonist burnt the last one down. My question relates to electrical wiring. USe A-2, Pennsylvania. I would like, for various reasons, to use plastic sheathed cable (Romex) for all hidden (wood framed walls and attics) and use conduit and boxes at the masonry wall locations. Does anyone know if this meets code?

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Bill

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Sparktrician

03-29-2008 13:36:08




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 Re: Electrical code wiring in reply to Bill in NorthCentral, 03-26-2008 05:43:37  
You can do it yourself, or find some help, probobaly should get help for liability reasons. I wouldnt use romex, rats and mice.....I know it is cheaper but that is not a dwelling....So i would use MC cable. Do it right so you dont have to worry. Make sure you are not liable, hate to see you get into trouble if someone gets hurt. Romex probobaly would be fine for years and years, but i wouldnt install it.

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David - OR

03-26-2008 06:22:49




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 Re: Electrical code wiring in reply to Bill in NorthCentral, 03-26-2008 05:43:37  
You'll need to check for local code issues. Some jurisdictions (e.g. Chicago) ban Romex entirely. Others may ban it for non-dwelling occupancies.

The National Electrical Code does appear to allow Romex for a concession stand. However, since this is not a dwelling, article 334.10(3) requires that "Cables shall be concealed within walls, floors, or ceilings that provide a thermal barrier of material that has at least a 15 minute finish rating as identified in listings of fire rated assemblies".

1/2 inch gypsum wallboard has a 15 minute finish rating, but 1/2 inch plywood does not. You can get some information on fire resistance here:

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Brother Dave

03-26-2008 06:13:10




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 Re: Electrical code wiring in reply to Bill in NorthCentral, 03-26-2008 05:43:37  
Bill, I too like to run plastic sheathed cable because it is easy to work with. Had a problem with mice and rats knawing at the platic sheathing on the cable thought. Little rascals would knaw the insulation off till they reached a stapple. Went with armor flex cable and solved the problem. Just my two cents.



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dr sportster

03-26-2008 06:03:01




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 Re: Electrical code wiring in reply to Bill in NorthCentral, 03-26-2008 05:43:37  
Yes rx is for that. For the pipe stub ups its nice to go from pvc to rigid but on a small thing like that without a lot of other trades or machines to break them all pvc pipe will work fine.There is probably an electrician amongst the little league dads that aint admiting it.Find him and make him help.Ask local contractors to donate the material.Tell them they will be mentioned in local newspaper.

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PJH

03-26-2008 06:49:49




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 Re: Electrical code wiring in reply to dr sportster, 03-26-2008 06:03:01  
VERY good idea. No reason for you to do this by yourself. Sadly, many times the hidden tradesman will be critical of your donated work when you get finished, when it could have been done to his satisfaction had he offered to help, or at least supervise the ongoing work if he's too busy to help. I'm not picking on electricians - I've seen this from finishers, carpenters, plumbers etc. I've also seen good tradesmen step up to the plate in these situations - community projects should involve the community, but they often involve only one or two good-hearted overworked individuals. The helpers are out there. Look for the busiest guy and he'll probably pitch in for you, and he'll probably know several other busy people that will also help.

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