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Any ideas on outside water faucets.

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IC

08-29-2001 20:02:30




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I am planing on putting some outside faucets in my yard. I plan on running PVC through the yard and putting some kind of outside faucets. Any good ideas out there would be appreciated. I am thinking of the kind that has the long handle that release and drains out the bottom when you shut the water off. The frost line here where I live is about 12". Any simpler or better ideas will be appreciated. Thanks to all that answered my PVC glueing questions, that was what I was needing to know.

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easy_irv

09-03-2001 14:47:02




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
We have frost proof hydrants. Works great, come in 3.4, foot bury models. You might even get a break on your fire insurance with one. Also keeps the splashing and moisture away from the house.

Irv



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Phil in MS

08-31-2001 06:16:30




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
I like my frost free faucet at the barn! One suggestion if in a livestock area is to sink a metal or wood post and fasten hydrant tightly to the post!



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MRX

08-31-2001 00:59:06




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
Screw an elbow & 3 or 4 foot steel pipe on bottom of the hydrant, to make an L, before you hook on the plastic water line. This will stabilize the hydrant to prevent breaking the line.



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ted

08-30-2001 19:41:41




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
We usually use black poly pipe, easy to work with, few joints, flexible. When we replaced pipe last year, we tried something new. We buired ours in a 4" tile(non drainage-no slots on the sides). This way if they would ever need to be replaced we could fish a new line through by connecting the new to the old and pulling it through. I also think the life of the pipe is extended since there won't be anything poking the pipe. Pipe laid in soil sometimes gets gravel or other things poking or rubbing it.

Make sure you use form a gasket on all connections and two hose clamps. This is just a preventative measure. (I never had a leak by doing it this way.)

Bury it deeper than your deepest frost line (There is a chart that gives a reccomended depth- call your counties extension agent if you can't find it elsewhere or nobody knows.) Use a frost free hydrent. A trick is to screw a short piece of pipe into the drain and connect it to a short piece of drainage tile, this will give the water a quick way to get away from the hydrent, as well as to not erode the dirt around the hydrent( I have seen shop floors crack and sink twards a hydrent, due to the hydrent drain washing the dirt out from underneath)

I would be worried about running a power line down the same trench as a water line for one main reason.. If someone in the future goes and digs up the line to find a leak, he may unknowingly hit the electric line. This also goes for a gas line.

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peter

08-30-2001 11:18:01




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
I used to work at a camp ground in my younger days and we had approx. 1500- 2500 ft of black poly. Don't remember the weight. We drained it every year but never had a problem with rupture. Very easy to work with. Cut, heat w/torch, push on coupling and clamp while warm. Good luck.



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Bob

08-30-2001 08:46:14




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
You are refering to hydrant valves. They are available in various burial depths. Around here you can get then for 18", 24" and 36" burial depths. They aren't cheap - typically around $35-$40 each. Home Depot carries them as will your local farm supply stores or plumbing stores. If you watch, once or twice a year they come on sale and you can get a deal (~$25).

Last year, we rented a ditchwitch to dig a bunch of of 24" deep trenches, buried around 1000 feet of pipe and installed 15 hydrant valves.

We used hydrant valves because we can leave the outside water on year around without fear of freezing. Just remember that hydrant valves must be all on or all off. If you try to adjust flow with them, they will leak a stream of water from the "drain" hole. We lost gallons of water before we figured this out.

With respect to pipe, we used both PVC and black poly. Beware of black poly as it comes in a number of different weights. We used the 200 PSI stuff which has pretty thick walls. In areas where squirrels and other burrowing creatures are a problem, we used PVC. Conventional wisdom in this area is that these creatures will attack black poly, but tend to leave PVC alone. So far, we have not had a problem.

Another suggestion is to bury 110 wire with your pipe. We did this and put an outlet on every hydrant valve. Be sure to usee GFCI outlets. We useda length of gray PCV pipe into a plastic outside box. We fastened this to the back side of teh hydrant valve in three places with regular hose clamps. It is really nice to have power for teh weed whacker or for other power tools scattered through the yard. The burial wire was pretty cheap and its installation in an exitsting trench took very little extra time. Cost for each outlet was about $15 for the pipe, box, cover and 20amp GFCI outlet.

Good luck on your project.

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John ('48 Cub, Ohio)

08-30-2001 11:45:55




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 Re: Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to Bob, 08-30-2001 08:46:14  
I disagree that they all leak water if not full on. At least one of the brands carried locally opens to drain in only one position (full off). Once that valve is opened enough to flow to the hydrant, all flow to the drain is blocked. I'm sure brands differ so it pays to shop. Also look for one that can be repaired from the top (ie. without digging it up). This is especially important if you have a deep frost line/bury depth.

JohnP

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KURT

08-30-2001 08:22:02




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
Yes I agree with Jake, PVC does not hold up to cold weather and can crack, causing a big frickin mess. use the flexable stuff.



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Big Jake

08-30-2001 07:08:23




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
Have you considered using black poly pipe instead of pvc? It's cheaper & less work!



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John ('48 Cub, Ohio)

08-30-2001 03:03:24




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
If the frost line is 12 inches, I would probably go to 24". It's still not that deep and could save a lot of hassle when you get that "coldest it's been in twenty years" winter.

JohnP



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Greg

08-29-2001 21:22:23




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
Might look under "Water to a pole barn" posted by Steve B on 8/11/01, currently on page 2



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paul

08-29-2001 21:18:10




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
Wow, 12 inches.... Where I live water lines need to be 6 feet deep, deeper on heavily used roads that pack.

--->Paul



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hunter

08-29-2001 20:22:40




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 Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to IC, 08-29-2001 20:02:30  
I have one of those frost free faucets. Works great. Well worth the few extra dollars!



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jim

08-29-2001 21:16:28




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 Re: Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to hunter, 08-29-2001 20:22:40  
don't tie horse up to facuet. (speaking from experence)



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Mike M (WA)

08-30-2001 08:09:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to jim, 08-29-2001 21:16:28  
Don't let wife tie horse to a sawhorse.
Don't let wife tie horse to bumper of antique car under restoration.
In fact, quick like a bunny build her a hitching post, before she and Ol' Dobbin methodically destroy everything in the vicinity of the barn that's not tied down.



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Palmer

08-30-2001 20:04:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Any ideas on outside water faucets. in reply to Mike M (WA), 08-30-2001 08:09:54  

Unless you have extremly sandy well drained soil, you need to make some provison for drainage. dig out Alittel in the bottom of the trench, or even bore deeper if in real "tight" soil. Put some coarse gravel around the lower part of the hydrant. Also. always remove, or at least loosen A garden hose connection before putting thr hydrant in the drain position. to prevent the water in the hose overloading the drain aera. A waterlogged drain aera can prevent drainage . Can cause A frozen hydrant! GOOD LUCK!

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