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RichZ

03-23-2008 16:10:22

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I need to put some teeth in the bucket of one of my tractors so it'll be easier to move manure with. It's a real PIA to pick up manure from piles without teeth on the loader. What kind of drill bits do I need to drill thru the steel of a loader? I have seven teeth to put in with 2 bolts each. How many drill bits will I need to drill those 14 holes? I immagine I'll dull the bits pretty good cut thru that steel. Will titanium bits do the job?

Thanks!!!

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TGIN

03-25-2008 02:19:40

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to RichZ, 03-23-2008 16:10:22

Lee has the idea . We have a setup like that for the skid steer . Go to county/state garage and see if they will let ya have a old grader blade replacment and weld your teeth to that then a strap on each side to bolt it on with just one bolt per side . Then it can be removed for original bucket operation . You need to make it so it hooks over your front cutting edge .

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Sam from WA

03-25-2008 09:23:23

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to TGIN, 03-25-2008 02:19:40

I"ve got a hook-on bale spear that hooks over the cutting edge and chains wrap around the back of the bucket. The hook is 2"x1/4" angle iron welded to the forks and the end of the forks go under the bucket about 2 feet. The fork points stick out approximately 36" in front of the loader bucket. You could use the same idea, but a little scaled down for you manure fork.

Another thing I have done is build separate buckets for the quick tach on my deere 265 loader. I have a manure fork, silage fork(its a little bigger and heavier), pallet forks, sawdust filler, combine head picker, and more than one materials bucket. The mounts from mother Deere are somewhat spendy (upwards of 175 each), so if you can, try to salvage them from worn out/junked buckets. I have gotten several sets of mounts from a neighboring farmer who had several bent up and twisted buckets on the junk pile.

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dieselpup

03-24-2008 10:20:30

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to RichZ, 03-23-2008 16:10:22

My recommendation is to just use the cutting torch and save a bunch of aggravation. I thought I would smart and use a Hougen mag-drill with a Rotabroach (annular) cutter. The cutting edge on the bucket smoked the cutter in a matter of seconds. Unless you have the carbide tipped cutter and can slow your speed way down you"ll likely have the same result. Those edges are some of the toughest steel I"ve tangled with.

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Holes

03-24-2008 12:45:54

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to dieselpup, 03-24-2008 10:20:30

I'd tend to agree. You could cut the hole slightly smaller and clean it up with a carbide die grinder if you had too, but a clean tip and a steady hand can make a nice hole.

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Lee in Iowa

03-23-2008 23:03:31

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to RichZ, 03-23-2008 16:10:22

Why not just weld all the teeth to something that will hook over the edge of the bucket and to a strap iron across the back ends and just put a couple of bolts in it. Thats how some of the commercial made units are made, then you can remove easily if needed. Lee

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fixerupper

03-23-2008 18:25:59

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to RichZ, 03-23-2008 16:10:22

If you are able to drill the holes, drill them from underneath and push the drill up with a hydraulic jack. It's better to make it a two man job, one to pump the jack and one to hold on to the drill with both hands. The bucket will want to push up a little when you put the pressure to the drill, so be careful to ease up on it a long way when the bit is about to go through.

If it is too hard to drill, do you know of anyone close by who is good with a plasma cutter? It'll punch the hole through without overheating the steel. Jim

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Holes

03-23-2008 19:29:37

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to fixerupper, 03-23-2008 18:25:59

Overheating the steel? A regular torch isn't going to bother the steel at all. Torch cut edges are actually a little harder than the parent metal. That's why a lot of cutting edges are cut with a torch. Usually with a radiagraph machine on a track. A lot of bigger contractors make their own new cutting edges out of material like T1 plate and cut the bevel with a radiagraph and use a mag drill for the holes. I've heard of using a long bar and a chain to put more pressure on a drill, but never heard of using a hydraulic jack. Technically an ironworker would be the preferred method but most people don't have one.

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Holes in bucket

03-23-2008 17:53:19

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to RichZ, 03-23-2008 16:10:22

If you or a friend is good with a torch would work. If doing by hand the cutting edge is probably higher carbon steel for longer life. See if you can rent a magnetic drill. Even better if you can rent one with an annular cutter. The annular cutters are more like a milling machine tool but sure work good for drilling holes in heat treated truck frames. Much faster and hardly needs any pressure to make the holes. Using a hand drill would most likely be too fast and the drill bit would dull in a hurry. See how hard it is to center punch where you want your holes. If it makes a deep inpression without hitting it too hard, maybe you could drill it by hand. If it needs a real good wack or dulls the center punch, trying to drill it by hand is going to be real frustrating and take forever. I tried before on an industrial tractor loader. Ended up using a torch and I only needed 2 holes to mount some forks on the bucket. Mag drills are the cat's meow though.

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glennster

03-23-2008 17:26:36

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to RichZ, 03-23-2008 16:10:22

pick up a good quality cobalt bit, use slow drill speed and plenty of oil to keep the bit cool. it helps if you drill a 1/4 inch pilot hole first, use a cobalt for that too.

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Dick L

03-23-2008 18:33:44

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to glennster, 03-23-2008 17:26:36

Yup glenster. One of each should do it also. If my guys could not get 14 holes out of a drill bit in hot or cold roll steel I would start making them buy there own drills. I have 10 year old drill bits in the tool shop that have drilled many many holes. We may drill 50 holes in one plate of steel.

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JeremyR

03-23-2008 17:19:24

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to RichZ, 03-23-2008 16:10:22

I agree with Murry. Best investment I ever got for Christmas is a Drill Doctor. Depending how big the hole is you need to drill the bigger the hole slower you drill and a little cutting oil, 1 bit should do you.

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JeremyR

03-23-2008 17:18:57

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JeremyR

03-23-2008 17:18:46

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flying belgian

03-23-2008 16:37:17

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to RichZ, 03-23-2008 16:10:22

The skid straps and the cutting edge are hard steel but the bucket material is just regular mild steel and you should be able to drill all holes with one good bit.

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MurrayE

03-23-2008 16:35:28

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Re: Drill Bits in reply to RichZ, 03-23-2008 16:10:22

Hi Rich, sometime when you have a birthday/Christmas, or any of those times when gifts are being distributed, put out the word that you would like a drill bit sharpener. I didn't do that, was given a gift certificate and a national store franchise had this dril Doctor on sale at a good reduced price. Made the purchase and this item really works, for years when a drill was dull, I usually purchased a new one. In my spare time for the past 2 months I have been sharpening drill bits, the odd one has to be sharpened a couple of times, before it is correct,this one takes bits up to 1/2". Great investment. Cheers, Murray

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