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JoeK(WI)

03-21-2008 07:11:31




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Golf cart type battery bank,6 HD deep cycle 6V batteries in series for 36V.My 36V charger is out of service and batteries need charging.As it's a real beeatch top pull em out...I'm thinkin that if I"break the series" by disconnecting ONE jumper,I can charge each battery directly w/6V charger OR would I even have to break the series???




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Lefty

03-22-2008 08:32:18




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 For the curious... in reply to JoeK(WI), 03-21-2008 07:11:31  
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T_Bone

03-22-2008 00:56:20




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 Re: Verification? in reply to JoeK(WI), 03-21-2008 07:11:31  
Hi Joe,

I've done this alot on my golf cart. You'll need to seperate the battery's into groups of 12v for 12v charging by disconnecting interconnecting leads. This takes about 2.5days to fully charge all sets(3) on T-105 battery's from total discharge to fully charged.

It takes six days using a 6v charger with again isoluating each battery.

You can series (3) 12v chargers for the fastest recharge time, about 10hrs from fully discharged to fully recharged. Use a timer on the circuit to keep from over charging the battery's.

I had a 40a(regulated) and 10a(non-regulated) charger so I bought another 6a(non-regulated) (cheap). Just series the charges just like battery's and the total output will be about 40vdc.

The timer is needed because the regulators will not work being in series. Why I don't know other than the regulator can't "see" sense the battery resistance to make the regulator work.

You can buy 1.5a/12v PWM rechargers from Wally World, about $18eh. Thease may work very well for this application as PWM charging has three charging stages, bulk-finish-float, and will out preform a "old method" 10a/12v regulated charger. You can leave a PWM charger connected for life without ever over charging the battery's where as a normal 10a charger of the past will over charge a battery over time.

You can also series (3) 12v solar PV's and add a PWM charge controller(regulator) to recharge the battery's too. One 4amp(64w), and two 1amp(15w) PV's would take about 2days to fully recharge a dead set of golf cart battery's. This would produce about 80ahr in two days (full sun) or just about maximum battery usage on a 36v golf cart.

T_Bone

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GarryinNC

03-21-2008 18:49:17




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 Re: Verification? in reply to Kemper, 03-21-2008 07:11:31  
I have never seen the negative post of a golf cart system connected to the frame. The circuit is isolated from the chassis of the cart. I have charged them one or two at a time on many occasions.

What brand cart is it?



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KEB1

03-21-2008 15:29:47




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 Re: Verification? in reply to JoeK(WI), 03-21-2008 07:11:31  
Just connect the six volt charger directly across one battery at a time (or two at a time if you want to use a 12 volt charge). Unless you reference the charger itself to the cart frame (or wherever the common point is), the charger will never know the difference.

The charger will make 6 (or 12) volts between its leads. As long as you don't reference the charger to the negative or positive end of the string, it doesn't care what any other voltages may be.

Keith

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guido

03-21-2008 12:51:26




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 Re: Verification? in reply to JoeK(WI), 03-21-2008 07:11:31  
Hello JoeK (WI)
You can put the batteries in parallel and charged them that way. 6 or 12 volts depending on your charger voltage. The capacity of the charger will determine the time it will take to charge them.
Add up all the batteries amps to find out the total.You don't have to take them out, use jumpers and make sure the wire size will handle the amps.
Guido.



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bill b va

03-21-2008 11:10:20




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 Re: Verification? in reply to JoeK(WI), 03-21-2008 07:11:31  

as long as you don't enegerze the 36 volt circuit you should be able to charge the indivual batterys .DO NOT connect the neg terminal to the frame . connect the neg and pos clamps ONLY to the battery to be charged . its the same thing as connecting a 6 v bulb across one battery .. you only get juice out of the one battery connected across .



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circus

03-21-2008 07:26:50




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 Re: Verification? in reply to JoeK(WI), 03-21-2008 07:11:31  
Makes sense that you can charge only one battery without disconnecting the series. I would charge all up equally prior too use though. Maybe two at a time on 12v. I wonder if three 12v chargers in series would work?



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IH2444

03-21-2008 07:19:50




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 Re: Verification? in reply to JoeK(WI), 03-21-2008 07:11:31  
As long as you don't ground the charger to the frame of the cart you should not have to break the battery string open.
Just clamp on each battery individually.



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JoeK(WI)

03-21-2008 09:38:36




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 Re: Verification? in reply to IH2444, 03-21-2008 07:19:50  
Theres the root I guess.Wouldn't the string be grounded to the cart by virtue of the circuit itself and only positive be broken/controlled by the rheostat throttle?Just seems to me that in hooking to one battery in the series that the others would backfeed against the charger.I "should"be able to reason this out as it ain't exactly rocket science.I know it would be fine in paralell but I can't seem to wrap my brain around the series charging thing.

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rhouston

03-21-2008 13:14:20




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 Re: Verification? in reply to JoeK(WI), 03-21-2008 09:38:36  
JoeK the batteries are in series. Out of the positive into the neg of next batt. only the first neg terminal is connected to the frame and the last positive is connected to the hot side of electrical system. If they were in parrallel then all negs would connect to frame and all Positives would connect to the hot side of the system. When you connect to one battery (6V) or two batteries (12V) you issolate the charging to just that one batt or Two if done that way. If you connect to the Frame it charges every batt up to and including the one you connect the positive too.

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JoeK(WI)

03-21-2008 17:43:42




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 Re: Verification? in reply to rhouston, 03-21-2008 13:14:20  
OK,Thanx guys,I'll give it a whirl in the next couple days/



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evilboweviel

03-21-2008 08:47:21




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 Re: Verification? in reply to IH2444, 03-21-2008 07:19:50  
i agree or use a 12 volt charger across two batteries
Ron



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