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Slowpoke

03-15-2008 01:14:34




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I'm going to mix some concrete for setting a steel weight bearing post. There is already a pad that was made using Sakrete concrete mix. For the rest of the hole I will be getting bulk sand/gravel mix and 94 lb cement sacks. If I had separate cement, sand and gravel, I would mix 1-2-3. Do I mix 5 units of sand/gravel with 1 unit of cement assuming the bulk is 2 parts sand, 3 parts gravel? How is the 5 sack or 6 sack mix figured when mixing small amounts? And is it a full yard of sand/gravel to which 5 or 6 sacks of cement are added, or is the sand/gravel less than a yard so the added cement makes one yard???
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Bendee

03-15-2008 06:49:25




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 Re: Concrete mix in reply to Slowpoke, 03-15-2008 01:14:34  
You will need reinforcing to give strength to the concrete.The combined ingredients make the cubic yard. 3'x3'x3' screenings, sand, cement.With screenings there are voids which the cement fills,this could give slightly more volume but much heavier.
5 to 1 may work.
I used 'B' grade crushed rock, My mix would normally be 4.2.1 I used 6 to 1,top disappearing,should have been 6 to 2 would have been a better job.
More cement makes it stronger,more water makes it weaker.remove air bubbles.HTH>

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Billy NY

03-15-2008 06:13:03




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 Re: Concrete mix in reply to Slowpoke, 03-15-2008 01:14:34  
Is this a footing for a steel column supporting something in a building by chance ? It sounds like you are placing concrete over an existing pad or something that makes a cold joint, might want to drill, epoxy or cement some vertical rebar into the existing to tie it all together.

I believe there is also 4000 psi bag mix by quikcrete that is commonly available, might be a labor saver, by not having to deal with mixing portland and various aggegates, sand and crushed stone from scratch etc.

You're not alone on forgetting the hand mix ratio's, I do the same thing, don't do it enough I suppose. One thing to keep in mind, make sure when you mix it, that all the materials are uniformly measured including water, don't have to be precise, but to achieve the strength needed, it does play an important role if you keep the amounts reasonably uniform to the designe mix used. Water/Cement ratio, that is where most mistakes are made, too much water will negate what the bonding agent does, (portland cement) and will weaken its compressive strength drastically.

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Slowpoke

03-15-2008 12:50:06




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 Re: Concrete mix in reply to Billy NY, 03-15-2008 06:13:03  
Billy NY-Your 1st paragraph is 100% correct. I already had the post set on the pad. I mixed by hand and poured about 2 feet deep concrete around it. Then as crazy as I am, I decided to dig it out to change the saddle and when I got down to the pad, there was no separation because I thoroughly wire brushed and wetted the pad before I poured on top of it. 60lb high strength concrete mix is $2.68/bag. I need about 40 bags which come to $107. For me it's worth the $50 savings to mix my own.

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Spook

03-15-2008 05:32:43




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 Re: Concrete mix in reply to Slowpoke, 03-15-2008 01:14:34  
I tend to be lazy, so for what it's worth, I would get the ready mix truck out. A lot of work with a shovel isn't fun. And by the time ya buy all the stuff, do it your self is probably pretty close to the same $$.



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Slowpoke

03-15-2008 12:08:20




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 Re: Concrete mix in reply to Spook, 03-15-2008 05:32:43  
I estimate 1/2 yard, about 40" deep, 28" od.. The pad is about 16" square, so I will drill and epoxy 1/2x18" rebar into it to grab the new pour. Youhaul concrete is $151/yd, $92 1/2/yd, with tax.
I have a mixer. 1/2/yd sand/gravel mix is $28, 3 bags 94lb cement is $24, total $52, a savings of $40.



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Eric SEI

03-15-2008 11:59:29




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 Re: Concrete mix in reply to Spook, 03-15-2008 05:32:43  
There are 1 or 2 companies around here that bought used Japanese cement trucks that hold about a yard to deliver small jobs. It's supposed to be cheaper and they can get in to smaller spots to unload. The trucks here say Mini Mix.



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dlplost

03-15-2008 03:17:24




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 Re: Concrete mix in reply to Slowpoke, 03-15-2008 01:14:34  
1-2-3 is cement - sand - gravel.
If using a 1 gal bucket to measure, you put in 1 bucket of cement, 2 buckets of sand and 3 buckets of gravel. Measured by volume not weight.
a 5 bag mix is 1 yard total that has 5 bags in it.
a yard (27cf) of 1-2-3 would be 4.5 cf cement, 9 cf of sand and 13.5 cf of gravel.



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Slowpoke

03-15-2008 12:13:06




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 Re: Concrete mix in reply to dlplost, 03-15-2008 03:17:24  
I believe the sand and gravel is pre mixed at the supply yard. So do I use 1 cement and 5 sand/gravel mix?



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Bob Huntress

03-16-2008 00:26:44




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 Re: Concrete mix in reply to Slowpoke, 03-15-2008 12:13:06  
The sand is far smaller than the gravel. When the two are in the truck, or sit in the pile, the sand falls through the relatively large spaces between the gravel, leaving you with gravel on top of a sand pile. You really need a pile of sand and a pile of gravel. Make a twelve inch by twelve inch wooden box, without either a top, or bottom. Count how many shovels filled with sand it takes to fill this metered box. Do this several times, until you are comfortable with your count being consistant. Multiply this number by two, and for every bag of one cubic foot of cement, you add to the mixer add this number of shovels filled with sand. Preform the same calculation for gravel multipling this number by three as opposed to two, as we did with sand. Provided each shovelfull of sand, and each shovelfull of gravel are relatively consistant, your concrete will be as close as any commercially mixed.

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Kansas Cockshutt

03-16-2008 12:43:33




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 Re: Concrete mix in reply to Bob Huntress, 03-16-2008 00:26:44  
Makes my back hurt just thinking about all that :-(



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Bob Huntress

03-16-2008 15:12:08




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 Re: Concrete mix in reply to Kansas Cockshutt, 03-16-2008 12:43:33  
When I was a teenager, I learned this mixing concrete in a 4'x8' tub using a large mixing hoe with two holes on the blade. A church group took my 16 year old son to Mexico to build a couple churches this past Christmas, using this same manually mixed formula.



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