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A way to increase the value of H/F tools

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Stan in Oly, WA

03-09-2008 14:38:38




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I had an in-store coupon for Harbor Freight 4-1/2" angle grinders that was going to expire before I got a chance to get across town to use it. My wife had some business over there yesterday afternoon, so I prevailed on her to go there for me. The coupon was for Drill Master grinders @ $9 ea. with a limit of five. In angle grinders, at least, D.M. is H/F's even cheaper (than Chicago Electric) house brand---hard to imagine as that is. They claim to run at 11,000 rpm with just over 4 amps of power.

My wife came back with 5, as I had asked her to get, and she had paid an additional $5.99 for a 1 year extended warranty, which I hadn't considered. They informed her at the store that the warranty will, in effect, cover all 5 grinders since they're not identified by any specific unit serial number. What this means is that if any grinder gives it up during the year, I take it back for a new one. What's more, I called to find out if I could upgrade the extended warranty to two years (which my wife had briefly considered but decided against because she was already buying something I hadn't asked for) and was told that I have thirty days to return the registration card to the store for a refund, and repurchase the 2 year warranty---for $10.

Now 2 years is definitely not forever, but it seems like a pretty good deal to know that I've got 2 years covered on 5 angle grinders at a total cost of less than $12 each, and at the end of 2 years I ought to still have 5 working grinders, and go from there.

By the way, I've returned products under warranty to a H/F retail store and not been given a lot of grief or had a lot of my time wasted.

Stan

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mj

03-16-2008 09:02:34




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to John - OH, 03-09-2008 14:38:38  

Joe Pro said: (quoted from post at 19:42:26 03/09/08) Because its better to leave a 12 dollar grinder somewhere and run it over than a 100 dollar one.


X2! :lol:



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Bernoulli/OZ

03-11-2008 13:48:11




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 14:38:38  
Well, I wish HF was here in OZ. In the US, I stayed away form HF stuff with moving parts although my right angle drill attachment has worked just fine. Tools (and everything else except lamb) are ridiculously expensive here. I just paid $20 for a single (Irwin 6 1/4" 20 tooth) circular saw blade. I'm paying about $5 gallon ($1.33 AUD liter) for fuel.

At any rate, if HF were here it would be welcome competition in a place that has none.

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OldFarmTractor

03-11-2008 12:41:21




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 Reminds me in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 14:38:38  
Reminds me of my buddy who painted his whole house with one gallon of Sears Paint.

Seems the paint had a coverage guarantee. So he begins to paint and of course it won't cover the entire room so he returns to Sears and says he didn't do what it should have covered. He gets a free gallon.

He did this again and again and even changed colors a few times. It was amazing.



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Stumpalump

03-12-2008 10:35:51




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 Re: Reminds me in reply to OldFarmTractor, 03-11-2008 12:41:21  
Your freind riped off Sears. He is a common theif. Run with dogs and you will get fleas. Keep him out of your shop or if you think what he got away with is cool, then you are slime also.



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Upperthought

03-10-2008 20:55:15




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 14:38:38  
Around here, if we dont want our tools stolen,
we put a sign on the door, "ALL HARBOR FREIGHT TOOLS" nobody bothers.



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Stan in Oly, WA

03-10-2008 22:35:05




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Upperthought, 03-10-2008 20:55:15  
When I was in college back in the second millenium, some students would do something like that with cigarettes. They would keep their regular brand put away somewhere, and carry a pack of Old Golds in their shirt pocket. That was the only brand that I ever actually saw people refuse after they had asked to "borrow" a cigarette. There were a couple of obscure brands, Wings and I think one called Marvel, or something like that, that some people would try to use that way. The trouble with those was that people would go ahead and take one out of plain curiosity.

All the best, Stan

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RobMD

03-10-2008 15:24:26




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 14:38:38  

I go there just to get stuff that I could use, and NOTHING else- no matter if on sale or not.

Let's face it, we go there to get away from high priced stuff that we're not going to use that often.



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dave2

03-10-2008 07:44:44




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 14:38:38  
Got some stores like that here in Germany also. One thing about them, noone wants to steal them from you. I ordered the two sizes of garden carts from them because I needed something to that effect. I bought from HF because noone else would send anything like that to my PO box address. I bought them with the intent of using the wheels and the rest as a pattern. So far, I've been surprised at how they are holding up. I've got the panels traced out on some 3/8" plywood in reserve, but doesn't look like I'll need it anytime soon. I've got a milwaukee 7" grinder. Wife and I laid about 1600 sq ft of cobble stone and I was afraid the cutting involved would ruin the good Milwaukee. Bought one 9 years ago for the equivelant of about $20 and it's still kicking. I've since done a bunch of cement cutting and cuttoff stuff in general. I've got a 4" one that I bought to cut tile with that cost about $6. With a steel cutoff disc, it's handier than a crescent wrench.

Dave

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JerryU

03-10-2008 06:11:44




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 14:38:38  
My 2 cents. This is like debating cars. Lets face it Harbor Freight is the good bad and ugly. It is also the cheap. For some things it is good, especially for those that the price of gas has robbed extra cash for home hobbies. For the pro, yeah right. Most things work. Some for a short period of time, others I have had for quite a while-chop saw, 1/2" drill, impact for a few. For what little I use them, it is fine. On the good stuff, table saw and the like, forget it. I chuckle at the grinders because I went through three of them, the average life being less than a half hour. Ended up with a Makita.

All in all, for an occaisional use just to have the tool laying around if you need it, it is not a bad alternative. There is no way I could afford a good 3/4 socket set, but the HF works well the maybe four times a year I use it.

So-if nothing else, HF makes good discussion material.

By the way, which is better? Ford, Chevy or Toyota trucks?

JU

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mwkellner

03-10-2008 06:02:45




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 14:38:38  
My dad recently bought a HF hammer drill (that he plans to use about 2 times a year for the rest of his life). The check out guy asked if he wanted the warranty. When he said no the checkout guy said you should buy it and bring the drill back every year whether it is broken or not and exchange it for a new one and it will last you the rest of your life. I don't know if he will, but $5.99 a year for the warranties MIGHT be worth it?

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Joe Pro

03-09-2008 18:42:26




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 14:38:38  
Because its better to leave a 12 dollar grinder somewhere and run it over than a 100 dollar one.



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Bob Huntress

03-09-2008 17:55:57




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 14:38:38  
I picked about a case of those angle grinders out of the HF trash, in Amherst, NY. I used them til they burned up. They were worth every cent that I paid for them.



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railhead

03-09-2008 20:17:50




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Bob Huntress, 03-09-2008 17:55:57  
hard to believe a simpleton from hf knew where that junk belongs....in the trash. no offense but why would you dumster dive at hf????? that would be the last place i would consider looking for trash in the front door or the back door.



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Bob Huntress

03-10-2008 15:47:42




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to railhead, 03-09-2008 20:17:50  
When I was living in New York, I got lots of goodies out of the garbage. I would go with a friend and go through the HF, Sears Hardware, Home Depot etc. I also kept my eye on the side of the road, which I still do. I've found lawn mowers, snow blowers(Real handy down here), table saws, a Craftsmen 10" compound miter saw, a few roto tillers and my favorite was metal stock.



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Kemper

03-09-2008 17:02:13




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 14:38:38  
A 12 dollar grinder? you must be kidding yourself,they are nothing but junk,why don't you just buy one good one instead of 5 and not have to worry about it?



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railhead

03-09-2008 19:53:51




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Kemper, 03-09-2008 17:02:13  
i think Stan is a GREAT person, but I have to agree with this one.



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Stan in Oly, WA

03-09-2008 23:55:58




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to railhead, 03-09-2008 19:53:51  
Hi railhead,

Thanks for the heartfelt compliment. I've kind of gone all misty-eyed, but I'll try to type this without sobbing. (I suspect that SOB figures into this somewhere.)

Anyway, I kind of agree with you and Kemper, too. I owned 1 Chicago Electric grinder that lasted forever, and a bunch of them that didn't. Partly I'm influenced by what Joe Pro said about tools dying from other things than natural causes, partly I'm unhappy about the quality of some of the name brand equipment (Milwaukee 7" angle grinders and 14" chop saws) that's been purchased at the local community college welding shop in the last couple of years, and partly I'm just an old dog that can't seem to unlearn old tricks.

I did recently buy a Bosch 4-1/2" angle grinder that I haven't taken out of the box yet. By coincidence, it happened to cost almost exactly as much as I paid for those five H/F grinders. What I plan to do is try to divide my grinding time equally between the Bosch and the 5 el-cheapo's. Eventually I ought to know something. Of course by then (two or three years from now) Chinese grinders will probably cost $100 each and Bosch or Milwaukee grinders will cost $1,000.

All the best, Stan

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36 coupe

03-16-2008 02:43:33




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 23:55:58  
If those junk grinders have slide switches beware.My B&D I bought 15 years ago is running fine,Cost 50.00 and I can pick up parts if it needs any.



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railhead

03-10-2008 11:31:31




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 Re: A way to increase the value of H/F tools in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-09-2008 23:55:58  
Stan,
you have a new Bosch that you have never used....but you felt the need to buy a truck load of hf to last a long time.....either you are immortal (expecting to live forever) or like me....A PACK RAT (but i'm not a pack rat of hf schlock). Get the Bosch out and use it, it will probably last your lifetime.

All meant in good fun. Take care!



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