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driving a sandpoint ?

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greg b

02-26-2008 12:45:32




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does anyone know the best way to drive a sandpoint without breaking the pipe or ruining the threads ? thanks for any help




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John - OH

02-27-2008 18:12:04




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
I agree with Jeff NWOH, wash a plastic point in. Once you do, you will never go back to pounding them in and you will for sure tell all your friends. It surely takes the "work" out of putting in a point. Just my 2 cents.



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Just Lookin

02-27-2008 03:38:40




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
I have helped my old man drive down probably a dozen or so to about 20-25 feet for livestock water and garden water. He used a homemade driver that he termed the "pump baby"; not sure if that is a local term or his own term. Anyway, it is an axle from an old car or truck, not the whole housing and differential, just the inner shaft from one side. The hub end has the bolt flange where the tire and brake drum bolted on. Welded to the hub were a couple larger drums from bigger trucks. I'd say it probably weights 40-50 pounds. Never heard of a drive coupler so we used a heavy duty 1 1/4 inch Tee fitting, screwed the same side to the pipe every time, the other end got battered after a while, so the Tee was then replaced. When the pipe is at head height, it takes two men to lift and drop the "pump baby" to drive the pipe into the ground. We worked off the tailgate of a pickup truck for the "high" work. One man can lift and drop it when it gets to the waist or knee level.

Good luck with your well.

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36 coupe

02-27-2008 05:45:19




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to Just Lookin, 02-27-2008 03:38:40  
We used a block of steel that was welded to a 3 foot pipe.A pulley was overhead in a tree.A Shaw garden tractor had a flat belt pulley that we wrapped several turns of rope around and used as a capstan.Pulling the rope tight raised the drive weight and slacking the rope let it drop.Water poured around the pipe will help driving.The are drive couplings and caps.Drive couplings are much heavier.Sledge was used to start the pipe. A tripod would do away from trees.Points were often driven in or near brooks with a pitcher pump mounted on the pipe.Back when I did this Sears sold a us made hand pump for 7.00.

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JMS/.MN

02-26-2008 21:52:27




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
Like moonlite says- special cap for driving the pipe. Don"t know if it is still available, but when growing up in the 50s- that"s all we had for water- sandpoint and 10-15 feet of pipe. Drove them down with a 16 pound sledge hammer with the special cap on top of an inch and a quarter pipe, and adding pipe as needed.



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vjd

02-26-2008 19:19:10




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
Greg AS you pound the pipe in take a pipe wrench and turn the hole pipe as it goes in the ground to keep all the pipe threds ase titeas you can



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dan hilbert

02-26-2008 18:57:51




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
The last sandpoint I drove was 2 inch. The driving cap just rolled the end of the pipe inward, what a mess. I took a piece of 2 inch pipe about a foot long threaded on one end, for screwing onto the pipe I was driving, the other end I slid a piece of 2 1/2 pipe, 2 inches long, over the end and welded it flush, for pounding on. Worked great never damaged a thread after that.



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Jeff NWOH

02-26-2008 15:50:55




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
Would strongly suggest washing in a plastic point. Won't ever corrode or plug up and only takes about 30 seconds to get it in once you are set up. All you need is a trash pump, a casing(20' pvc pipe large enough to slide your point down inside), a fire hose to attach the two and about 50 gal of water. Plastic points are alot cheaper too. About $10 here.



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xstaticdrummer

02-26-2008 15:00:11




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
Also make sure to use plenty of pipe dope on the threads, even under the drive cap, as this helps cushion the threads. Dave



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HG

02-26-2008 13:54:44




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
I"ve driven one at my camp. Use only drive couplings and a drive cap ONLY. The drive cap lets the pipe bottom inside the cap thus preventing thread damage.
Make yourself a driver. I tried the sledge. Too much work. The driver makes it so much easier. I got decent water at 22 feet.



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HG

02-26-2008 13:56:24




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to HG, 02-26-2008 13:54:44  
Forgot, here is a link that may help. Google driving a well point. Much info.



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old timer in ohio

02-26-2008 13:36:41




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
Hey there greg;
They (most good hardware stores),sell
special 5ft. lengths of pipe and special "drive couplings",in 1-1/4
and 1-1/2.Cap the top section w/a
coupling,use a "driver".Google up driven well points,go from there.
Bob
God Bless



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old timer in ohio

02-26-2008 13:36:27




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
Hey there greg;
They (most good hardware stores),sell
special 5ft. lengths of pipe and special "drive couplings",in 1-1/4
and 1-1/2.Cap the top section w/a
coupling,use a "driver".Google up driven well points,go from there.
Bob
God Bless



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moonlite 37

02-26-2008 13:15:28




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
They make a drive cap which is much like just a common pipe cap but heavier. An ordinary pipe cap can be used. Some drive with a sledge and others use driver much like those used to drive steel fence posts. They are also sunken into the ground with a water jet in snady soil.



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Jim in Ma.

02-26-2008 12:50:09




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 Re: driving a sandpoint ? in reply to greg b, 02-26-2008 12:45:32  
You need to screw a coupler onto the pipe. Also works better with a pipe driver.



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