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Truck that hesitates and sputters

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BTD

08-16-2001 17:42:03




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I have read some great advice in this forum and would like to ask for ideas on what might be ailing my old truck. I just bought a 1986 Ford F150 with an inline 6 and either 142 or 242 thousand miles. I was cruising down the road and after the engine gone nice and warm it began to sputter and really hesitate. It would then suddenly surge before sputtering again. I limped her home having to keep dropping gears to allow the engine to keep going. Could it be something in the ignition? Like an intermittent connection?
thanks! -BTD

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big mac

08-21-2001 03:44:11




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 Re: truck that hesitates and sputters in reply to BTD, 08-16-2001 17:42:03  

maybe this could be related?????

Ford: Ignition Design Is Safe

DAVID KRAVETS
Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- While Ford Motor Co. maintains that alleged defects in its ignition system in 20 million cars don't cause stalling or endanger passengers, a series of lawsuits nationwide blame stalling in various models for crashes in which at least 11 people died and 31 were injured.

Also, internal Ford memos indicate the company was concerned that the ignition design could make engines stall _ resulting in ``rapid catastrophic failure'' _ at high temperatures.

Most of the records examined by The Associated Press were produced by Ford as part of a California class-action suit. The lawsuit accuses the company of using a stall-prone ignition system in some models between 1983 to 1995, in part to save $2 per car in manufacturing costs.

The judge overseeing the lawsuit has said Ford knew its design was defective and concealed the problem from federal regulators.

Ford maintains there is no defect or safety issue, and says that cars can stall for any number of reasons. However, it is negotiating a settlement to the class-action suit that plaintiffs lawyers say could cost the company between $750 million and $1 billion.

Alameda County Judge Michael Ballachey could rule as early as Monday on the proposal that would involve, among other things, reimbursing Ford owners nationwide who paid for ignition repairs.

In the first detailed analysis of deaths and injuries blamed on stalling in Fords with the ignition devices, the AP examined 802 lawsuits filed in courthouses across the nation. Most were settled out of court with no acknowledgment of liability.

The AP excluded all accidents that did not clearly involve stalling engines, as well as cases that involved other factors, such as reckless driving. Remaining were 23 accidents from Connecticut to California, among them four fatal crashes that left 11 dead.

Some consumer advocates see shades here of the Ford Pinto debacle of the 1970s, in which 27 people died from exploding gas tanks in rear-end collisions. Ford recalled the Pinto after wrongful death lawsuits brought intense media scrutiny.

``What is quite clear in both instances, with the Pinto and ignition switches, you had a horrendous safety defect that was costing lives, and in both instances Ford knew about it and did nothing,'' said Clarence Ditlow, who heads the Center For Auto Safety in Washington, D.C.

Ford representatives would not comment in detail about the internal memos and the lawsuits alleging stalling caused deaths and injuries. The Dearborn, Mich., automaker maintains its ignition modules are safe, citing repeated government investigations that resulted in no recalls.

``There's never been any proof of failure of this component,'' Ford attorney Richard Warmer said, a position Ford has held since the first stalling complaints surfaced in the 1980s.

``We stand behind our products,'' company spokeswoman Kathleen Vokes added in response to this story. She declined to comment in more detail, citing a gag order in the class-action case.

No court other than Ballachey's has found the devices defective. Ford's settlements customarily prohibit injured parties from disclosing the amounts paid or releasing evidence.

The proposed settlement in the class-action involves compensation for repairs and has no legal impact on the settled individual lawsuits involving deaths and injuries blamed on stalling Ford vehicles.

The lawsuits the AP reviewed describe Ford engines stalling in fast-food driveways, on railroad tracks and on highways _ all without warning. Some stalled as soon as new owners left the dealers' lots. Several of the suits describe repeated vehicle repairs, some to the point of replacing the engine.

When an engine stalls, power steering and brakes become less responsive, and vehicles unexpectedly lose speed. Some drivers were able to safely pull over. Others were rear-ended, blindsided or lost all control

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ferrell freeman

08-17-2001 12:08:44




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 Re: truck that hesitates and sputters in reply to BTD, 08-16-2001 17:42:03  
Like you said check the gas filer and fuel filter .Then if the origanl exhaust system might check the catalytic converter ,when they get a lot miles on them they start to come a part and stop up the exhaust causing back pressure not allowing exhaust gases to flow through choking engine down just like a bad fuel filter or pump .



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ROY MI

08-17-2001 09:30:19




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 Re: truck that hesitates and sputters in reply to BTD, 08-16-2001 17:42:03  
I had the same sputter it was the gas filter
in the carb. gas line



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John Ne.

08-16-2001 21:04:43




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 Re: truck that hesitates and sputters in reply to BTD, 08-16-2001 17:42:03  
Was this on a hot day? Then I'd pick up another Dura Spark box, the one on the fender, and have it ready to plug in, in the case it does it again. Be sure to get the right one, there were 3 main ones. Also, this truck has dual fuel tanks? When it starts to gasp again, try switching to the other tank, they have separate in-tank fuel pumps, seen one go bad. Pull the plugs and see if there is anything left. Good luck on the old Ford. John in Nebraska

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BTD

08-17-2001 04:27:32




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 Re: Re: truck that hesitates and sputters in reply to John Ne., 08-16-2001 21:04:43  
Nope, it was a cool day. Cool enough that I didn't mind that the heater was stuck on. I've only got one fuel tank. It seems that the general consensus it to look at that fuel pump first, so I'll hit that this weekend. I'll also get another DuraSpark box and replace the plug wires and plugs to be on the safe side. Probably about due anyway. Thanks to all for the advice! -BTD



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Dean

08-17-2001 05:13:32




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 Re: Re: Re: truck that hesitates and sputters in reply to BTD, 08-17-2001 04:27:32  
I'd change the fuel filter first.



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John Ne.

08-16-2001 21:04:33




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 Re: truck that hesitates and sputters in reply to BTD, 08-16-2001 17:42:03  
Was this on a hot day? Then I'd pick up another Dura Spark box, the one on the fender, and have it ready to plug in, in the case it does it again. Be sure to get the right one, there were 3 main ones. Also, this truck has dual fuel tanks? When it starts to gasp again, try switching to the other tank, they have separate in-tank fuel pumps, seen one go bad. Pull the plugs and see if there is anything left. Good luck on the old Ford. John in Nebraska

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mac

08-16-2001 18:34:44




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 Re: truck that hesitates and sputters in reply to BTD, 08-16-2001 17:42:03  
Think I would start with the fuel filter and the possibly check fuel pump output. Could be several things, but I would start simple and easy.



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Pete

08-16-2001 22:40:06




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 Re: Re: truck that hesitates and sputters in reply to mac, 08-16-2001 18:34:44  
I have an '87 F250 with dual tanks and in-tank pumps. Each pump has been replaced twice. The problem you describe could be a weak fuel pump. Mine showed up under load. I switched to the other tank and the trouble cleared up. The in-tank pumps from Ford were poor quality.
Hope this helps.
Pete



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