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Motrack

08-16-2001 09:44:06




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Received a sad email last night from a friend in Scio Ohio. Her 1st grader walked into the shop and was electrocted by a battery charger.Dont know any other details except the charger was sent away for testing. Made me think about the kids that wander in and out of my own shop.
Im going to miss you Dakota Hoobler.




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Rich

08-25-2001 17:52:49




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 Re: children and shop tools.......... in reply to Motrack, 08-16-2001 09:44:06  
I have to agree with bus driver and take the opportunity to teach inquiring minds. My son is 5 and daughter is 3 and we love to get greasy. I will admit working on a Gravely isn't as dangerous as a big tractor but is a good learning ground to get the basics. When shown welding and being told he wasn't old enough to try it yet he seemed disappointed but knowns what dad says dad means.
Fixing bicycles is another way to get young ones interested. Remember someone took the time and taught you.

Rich

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Kimk

08-19-2001 17:29:55




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 Re: children and shop tools.......... in reply to Motrack, 08-16-2001 09:44:06  
Few years back I had a few hives of honey bees out back of the house , in a residential neighborhood. One day I noticed clods of mud on the hives, and one of the neighborrs confirmed the he had caught some of the local kids (8 to 10 yr old) throwing dirt and rocks at the hives. I was more concerned w/ the safety of the kids than the hives. I found one of the neighbor kids and told him that if he and his friends wanted to see the inside of the hives I was going to open them up that Sat. 5 or 6 of them showed and I think they were mightily impressed to see just how many bees they were dealing with( probably 30 Lbs. of bees in each hive). Once I had a hive open they were interested but really didn't want to get too close. Never had another problem.

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Mark Kw

08-17-2001 18:23:50




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 Re: children and shop tools.......... in reply to Motrack, 08-16-2001 09:44:06  
I grew up in my dad's cabinet shop around all the tools like a 36" surfacer, 18" jointer, table saws, ect. The only times I can recall getting hurt were my own fault and the only one that was really bad was when I unplugged his radio and ran the back of my hand against a table saw blade laying on the bench, long cut but nothing serious. He always explained to my brother and I how easily we could get seriously hurt yet neither of us was.

I'm still in the same building with my business and there are about 20 kids in the neighborhood running around all the time. They range in age from 3 to 12 and are generally good kids. I do a lot of welding and have large pieces of equipment on site most of the time. I got them all together the one day and explained to them how dangerous it was for them to be around this stuff and that they should not go near anything unless I am with them.

To drive the point home, I had a set of tandems here that were going on a trailer. Innocent looking thing that did not scare them. I placed a rather large pumpkin under the wheel and rolled the dolly over it squishing it flat. I told them, "this is what could happen to you if you screw around here, that could be your head, arm or leg." That was enough to maked them understand I was not BSing them. I also explained to them that if they looked at the welding arc, they will go blind. So far, no problems with any of them. They go around and if I'm welding outside, they go around the oposite end of the building just like I told them to.

I think you should take measures to keep kids out of the shop or work area when there is no adult supervision but why not take the time to show and tell them why they cannot play there. Show them the dangers, it's not a costly or time consuming thing. Put a nail in the ground clamp of the welder and one in the stinger then stick one in one side of a hot dog and one in the other side and flip the power on at it's highest amperage setting. In 1 to 3 seconds the hot dog will smoke or explode and it get the point of electricution across very clear to them. Visual effects kids will understand and remember better and longer than words. In ten minutes you can get a hard lasting point across to them very clearly. Kids will understand the dangers, all you need to do is take the time to show them in a manner they understand. Keep in mind that the attention span for kids is 5 to 10 minutes so be brief but clear.

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Jim WI

08-20-2001 10:01:45




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 Re: Re: children and shop tools.......... in reply to Mark Kw, 08-17-2001 18:23:50  
I agree a whole bunch. If you make those tools the forbidden fruit there'll be a natural tendency to go check them out when nobody is around. I also like your demonstrations (reminds me of one I've heard of for firearms safety).



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David

08-17-2001 13:07:32




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 Re: children and shop tools.......... in reply to Motrack, 08-16-2001 09:44:06  
As much as I try to keep my two boys out of the shop or away from me while I am mowing with the cyclebar or Rotory mowers, they still do it. I was cutting a field last year and while turning for another pass saw my youngest crying. Stopped to see why and he had been following me and was hit by debri. I was welding at the door to my shop. When I finished and removed the helmet, they were right behind me. I told them to "get out! You know you are not to be in the shop!" Instead of exiting the side entrance they ran thru my welding cables and tripped onto the gravel drive and concrete slab. Brused, scraped, busted lip, and a cracked tooth. I even have to lock the shop when I go the the john or they will go in while I am away. They are 7 and 12. I fear they will learn only after it is too late. For now I am just the mean old man that want let them play in the garage!

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Fred

08-17-2001 07:59:43




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 Re: children and shop tools.......... in reply to Motrack, 08-16-2001 09:44:06  
I wiil not allow children into my shop!! I dont want anything to happen to my tools



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roy

08-17-2001 09:37:31




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 Re: Re: children and shop tools.......... in reply to Fred, 08-17-2001 07:59:43  
It`s the children i care about i can by more tools



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Bus Driver

08-17-2001 17:59:45




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 Re: Re: Re: children and shop tools.......... in reply to roy, 08-17-2001 09:37:31  
When interest is shown in the shop, use the opportunity to teach them. Give them a welding helmet and let them watch. My Dad was sheet metal worker, among other trades, and used me as a helper. I used to scour the woods for things discarded by others. More than 50 years ago, rural area, no trash collection. Took the junk home and disassembled it to see how it was made. As for mowing, the wife wanted it done, so it was her job to keep the children in the house while I mowed. Don't shout at children!

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