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Tappet clearance...bleed down tool.....push rod selection=headache

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ferg

08-13-2001 22:14:25




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So...for you guys that have been helping me...I thank you all very much...I just found out the machine shop decided (before asking) to grind and cut the valves and seats on my Ford head. The shop manual claims I must check the collapsed tappet clearance. To do this, I need some sort of tool (which I don't have) to collapse (bleed down) the lifter. Once collapsed, I measure the rocker-valve stem clearance. If they ground the valves too far then I will have to swap push rods...Ford doen't seem to do this...they don't usually rebuild motors, they buy them rebuilt from Ford...I guess I have two questions.

1) Is this tool common...it seems to slip over the front of the rocker and compress at the rear.

2) Where am I supposed to get push rods?

I really only wanted the shop to clean the head, not grind the valves...its one headache after another...should of bought a rebuilt Ford crate motor.

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John Ne.

08-16-2001 21:18:02




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 Re: tappet clearance...bleed down tool.....push rod selection=headache in reply to ferg, 08-13-2001 22:14:25  
Ferg, in the 70s, I remember using that bleed down tool exactly once. We had found that even a cylinder head machined .010 or even .020 would still run just fine, it seems the ford hydraulic valve lifters have quite a bit of movement in the inner piston. Ford did and may still offer pushrods in three lengths, as their rockers are not adjustable. I'd put it together, rotate it watching the rockers and valves, if it looks okay, run it. Ford allowed more tolerance then, than their aluminum marvels they make today. John in Ne.

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ferg

08-16-2001 21:33:27




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 Re: Re: tappet clearance...bleed down tool.....push rod selection=headache in reply to John Ne., 08-16-2001 21:18:02  
I agree with the .020 not changing the "lash".

The guy cut two seats and valves though...and he did not butt-grind the valves....I think the valve height picked up about a 16th of an inch.

This is too much....I'm going back to the machine shop in the morning to ask the guy to butt-grind the valves he cut.

ferg



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Jerry B

08-14-2001 07:26:30




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 Re: tappet clearance...bleed down tool.....push rod selection=headache in reply to ferg, 08-13-2001 22:14:25  
My suggestion is to go ahead and install the head. The lifters should bleed down to the appropriate clearance. Never had a problem with this when I grind valves.

If clearances are not within specs, there are some alternatives to push rod replacement. The easiest being shims under the rocker arm stands. If the valves do not use lash caps ( I bet they do however) you can grind several thousandths off the top of the stem (called butt grinding). The machine shop should have done this anyway, and if they didn't I would go back and have them do it AT NO CHARGE. If the engine uses lash caps, they are available in different thicknesses and that is another option.

Should you need different push rod you can get them from Crane Cams, Cam Dynamics, Comp Cams, ect.

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ferg

08-14-2001 10:10:28




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 Re: Re: tappet clearance...bleed down tool.....push rod selection=headache in reply to Jerry B, 08-14-2001 07:26:30  
There are no lash caps....the rocker rides directly on the butt of the stem. The shims sound like a great idea but I would guess I have to make these. The stands are square.

I don't think I've ever seen lash caps...although an overhead cam motor I rebuilt had butt-caps which were "switched" to set the clearance between the follower and cam.


Do you know who sells the bleed down tool?

I do agree with you regarding the "good chance" everything will be in tolerance...but I wouldn't mind checking it.

thanks, ferg

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Doc

08-13-2001 23:01:50




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 Re: tappet clearance...bleed down tool.....push rod selection=headache in reply to ferg, 08-13-2001 22:14:25  
I don't know where you would get a tool. Maybe the local Ford garage would lend you theirs, probably still around from the old days. The tool is a fork affair which goes around the rocker arm , is about 15 inches long. Ford used to sell different length pushrods. Been a little over 20 years since I worked in the Ford garage, but this was common procedure. Good luck. Doc.



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