Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Discussion Forum

Anaerobic versus RTV----opinions

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
ferg

08-12-2001 22:49:04




Report to Moderator

Loctite 518...15 bucks a tube...Felpro RTV...3 bucks. I understand the anaerobic only cures when the gasket is sealed...but is this really worth the extra costs....plus...I assume the anaerobic stuff that squeezes out of the joint winds up in the oil...and if the surface is not very clean, the anaerobic stuff leaks.....ferg




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Greg D.

08-13-2001 19:27:31




Report to Moderator
 Re: anaerobic versus RTV----opinions in reply to ferg, 08-12-2001 22:49:04  
Come on guys, silicone has a lot of uses, Around the toilet, around the sink, around the bathtub. ANYWHERE BUT IN AN ENGINE OR TRANSMISSION!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!! Mark is correct that most people think if a little bit is good a lot must REALLY be good!!!!! ! One thing I have encountered over the years is the use of a primer with the purple snot looking gasket elminator. Champion motor grader transmissions don`t use a single gasket on it. They use the anerobic sealer. If you don`t use the primer first it will leak guaranteed as soon as oil pressure builds up. With the primer it creates a VERY thin film of gasket that will not get pushed out by the oil. I have tried other products to seal them and without luck. I`m not a fan of this stuuf, for general sealer I like Permatex #2. But don`t forget everything has it`s place to be used in for a reason. Like silicone around the toilet.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Doug

08-13-2001 09:54:00




Report to Moderator
 Re: anaerobic versus RTV----opinions in reply to ferg, 08-12-2001 22:49:04  
I worked in the ship repair for 34 years and CNC machining for 6 and we have used all three types of sealants. There is three normal grades of Permatex 1/2/3, used for different purposes. I find the draw back for these ia they are 30% solvent and will shrink 30% when set but still have the purposes. The RTV has so many grades it would take a book to go over them, so remember the several auto companies use this instead od gaskets such as valve covers and their repair manuals calls for these special grades, they are great for fillinf holes in sheetmetal where wires go thru and you want to stop dust and water but most common grades are not really oil and gas proof and if you use the on a gasket with out letting it cure first will help the gasket creep or walk out of the joint. the Loctite Gasket Eliminator is comes in three grades and under several brand names as all of them do. This stuff is great as a gasket on matel to metal joint and is resistant to oil and gas as it hardens from the lack of qxygen and does not shrink when cured and is good for a light gasket dressing if you scratched up the surface cleaning the old gasket off, I prefer it over the rest but we use all three under different situations. It still up to personnal opinion as what to use, but we have much more sucess with the 510/515/518 than any other. Also the part that squeeses our does not harden and will mix with oil and gass and cause no harm.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Mark Kw

08-13-2001 06:43:18




Report to Moderator
 Re: anaerobic versus RTV----opinions in reply to ferg, 08-12-2001 22:49:04  
Couple of things. First, if you are using a gasket, you should not require a sealer in addition to it, that's why there is a gasket there to start with. I do suggest attaching the gasket to the easily removed side of the assembly with Hi-Tack or Indian Head type gaskets glues just to make it easier to assemble.

If there is no gasket at all on what you are putting together, I use a Permatex product called Form a gasket. This is a good product and will give a good seal with little effort, as long as you apply it properly.

Silicones have their place but should be limited in sales to only people holding a license to use them. I have more problems with people smearing silicone sealers on things and doing nothing but causing more problems than they are trying to cure and leading to more of a hassle and expense than if they would have left it alone.

Wads of squeezed out silicone go into engines and such, plugging oil passages, tapped holes and not doing what they are supposed to do anyway. Put on a gasket, the silicone does nothing but grease up the gasket so it slides out instead of grabbing the mating surface like it's supposed to. If the gasket does not seal, you have some sort of serious problem that needs to be corrected before you go any further.

Form a gasket, if applied correctly and allowed to cure before installing parts, will seal like a dry gasket and remain that way withou squeezing out and getting into whatever you're working on. Unlike silicones, this is a very forgiving product that needs only a clean dry surface to work properly. Silicones require a special cleaning and primer in order to stick and will not stick properly. Cast irons are some of the most difficult metals to properly clean and prime prior to use of silicones and in most every case, even a pro will have a great difficulty in achieving a good seal with a silicone.

Sorry to sound rather harsh on this subject but it's something that makes my blood boil. I work on and custom build heavy equipment, big trucks and industrial equipment. I use gaskets wherever possible and where it is totally impossible, I use the form a gasket. There are many other products that are gasket materials that come in either a round cord or flat strip shape. You apply it like masking tape, overlap the ends and you have a completed gasket with no hassles and no problems. Yes, they appear to be expensive and are only available from industrial suppliers but they are worth their weight in gold when they save you countless hours of time and costly problems later on.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dave in AL

08-13-2001 11:56:04




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: anaerobic versus RTV----opinions in reply to Mark Kw, 08-13-2001 06:43:18  
Great Post!
Just bought a Nissan truck for my son. Nice truck and got it cheap. He drove it for a week an noticed oil pressure problems now and then. We dropped the pan and found ????
You got it! BLUE crap all in the oil pan! Still not sure we got it all. Now we know why we got a good deal.

I would also like to add that LESS is better! No need to glue the entire thing with hitack. It just has to stay inplace long enough to mount.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dean

08-13-2001 07:31:54




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: anaerobic versus RTV----opinions in reply to Mark Kw, 08-13-2001 06:43:18  
Mark Kw, if they were giving out "posts of the year award", you are the winner! All I can say is... "Exactly!".



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Mark Kw

08-13-2001 08:30:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: anaerobic versus RTV----opinions in reply to Dean, 08-13-2001 07:31:54  
Thanks Dean but I don't want people to think I'm trying to be some sort of smart @$$ or just a pain in the @$$. That's not it at all.

I will offer my input on things that I know about and shut my mouth need to. For me, getting the job done safe and right is foremost priority. I am all for DIY'ers getting into things and trying stuff as long as it does not effect their well being or safety and that of others. (IE: the compressor post)

Silicone is one of my most hated things. Sure, it has it's places and applications but in the hands of a DIY'er and most so-called professional mechanics, it is nothing but a trouble causing compound being passed off as a "cure-all" or snake oil.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dean

08-13-2001 09:06:45




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: anaerobic versus RTV----opinions in reply to Mark Kw, 08-13-2001 08:30:28  
Mark, I don't see how any reasonable person would think you are a smart @$$. In fact, I'll bet that you saved at least one guy from an expensive engine rebuild.

I too have seen many engines ruined by the "let's throw a couple a tubes of silicone at that sucker and she won't leak" crowd. Even saw a differential that had a blob break off from a silicone gasket job; it wasn't pretty. Silicone is VERY difficult for the average DIY'er to apply properly and not much easier for the pro. Gaskets, on the other hand, are nearly foolproof.

And for folks who are wondering about Form-A-Gasket (Permatex part #2B), I use it exclusively on threaded hydraulic fittings. The part goes back into service immediately and will never leak. And if it doesn't leak in a 3000 psi hydraulic system, the margin of safety in a 15 psi cooling system is incredible.

BTW, I first used Form-A-Gasket more than 40 years ago when I first started twisting wrenches. They still make it. Says a lot, doesn't it!

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
ferg

08-13-2001 11:59:53




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: anaerobic versus RTV----opinions in reply to Dean, 08-13-2001 09:06:45  
The info is great...I've learned a lot here...now...it is true that there is a rubber gasket at the mating surfaces..however, three parts meet at a junction and the gasket does not extend into the small groove that is "hidden" by the third part (lower intake). So I must use something. What are the votes....Form-a-gasket? Loctite 518? I'm only going to use a dab on the corner of the gasket to fill the small void in the head-to-block-lower intake crevice. ferg
PS: I don't think anyone here has been a smart A$$ to me...to the contrary...real helpful and honest

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Mark Kw

08-13-2001 13:01:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: anaerobic versus RTV----opinions in reply to ferg, 08-13-2001 11:59:53  
I vote for the form a gasket if that's all you need is a dab to fill a small spot. Make it just slighty above the gasket thickness and allow it to dry until you can touch it without your finger sticking, then install the rest of the pieces. Should work fine for this application. I'm not real familiar with the 518 so I can't give any input on it.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
ferg

08-14-2001 21:48:15




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: anaerobic versus RTV----opinions in reply to Mark Kw, 08-13-2001 13:01:51  
Is that the hardening or non-hardening variety you like...I have always used the non-hardening type...but I usually don't use it to fill air gaps in seals...but if it works...it works.....ferg



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy