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Dcop

02-17-2008 11:37:12




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I am wanting to build an overhead for my shop. It will need to span about 20 feet. I was thinking about building it out of 8X4 I beam. If anyone can give me some ideas I would be very greatfull.




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mj

02-19-2008 18:26:15




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to IH2444, 02-17-2008 11:37:12  

Dcop said: (quoted from post at 13:37:12 02/17/08) I am wanting to build an overhead for my shop. It will need to span about 20 feet. I was thinking about building it out of 8X4 I beam. If anyone can give me some ideas I would be very greatfull.


Go down to the library and see if they have a copy of Machninery's Handbook by 'The Industrial Press'; it has the formulas for various loadings on beams under the 'Strength of Materials' section. If you have a favorite machine shop or there is a factory nearby with an Industrial Engineering department someone there should have a copy.

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Logan in S.E. Texas

02-18-2008 15:09:25




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Dcop, 02-17-2008 11:37:12  
Charles,

where did you get your gantry crane?
I have seen one in my local Harbor Frieght but am unsure as to it's quality when you consider it will inevetably have my life in it safe working capacity.... now that is not to say that I can see anything wrong with it and I spent over an hour clawling all over it looking for flaws or defects and didnt see any....

TIA

Logan



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Charles (in GA)

02-18-2008 18:21:28




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 02-18-2008 15:09:25  
Logan, see my post below for some links to new gantry crane dealers. They are really not that expensive. I found the one I have on Ebay, it was a make offer sale and I entered something the buyer liked. Of course, you have to be prepared to travel to get things some times. This wasn't a super deal, just a good deal, cheaper than new for a nearly new item. I spent a couple of hundred going to get it, drove all the way from south of Atlanta to Sandusky, Ohio, in September to pick it up. Kinda a struggle for a 4 cyl Ranger and a 5x10 trailer even empty for that long a trip, let alone 1000 lbs heavier coming home. I was starting to wonder what I had done to be so stupid but I'm glad I have it now.

Mine was sold new by Grainger, according to the stickers on it. Lots of internet dealers. Google is your friend.

I have two decent floor jacks and lots of jackstands, but even something as simple as packing the wheel bearings on the front of my Ford 2000 tractor is difficult, the jacks just don't go high enough without blocks and cribbing, The gantry crane will make that kind of stuff easy, just pick up the whole front end!

See, I did squeeze mention of a tractor into this thread, on a tractor forum.

Charles

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Charles (in GA)

02-17-2008 17:07:50




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Dcop, 02-17-2008 11:37:12  
As Moonlite37 pointed out, I got my dimensions on the W beam wrong. Anyhow, one wrong move and overload it with what you think is "not too much weight" and the beam could collapse on you and bring down its supports and more. It will take more material than you realize.

I bought my portable gantry crane used, but there are a number of manufacturers of them. Mine is an adjustable A style, but there are a variety of them. Do a Google search for "portable gantry crane" and you get lots of choices.

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The particular model I have is an AHS 4-12-12 and is no longer made, replaced by a AHS 4-15-12. Mine is made by T&S equipment which appears to be Vestil Manufacturing (possibly they merged) mine is 4000 lb/12 ft wide/12 ft high. First no. is weight capacity, second is width, third is height. AH means Adjustable Height.

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I paid $1450 for this used, and the seller included a new 4 ton trolley and a new 3 ton Larin Chain hoist. This would have cost me in the neighborhood of $2000 - $2500 new for all of this, retail. It was a fair price, not a gimme.

Hope this helps you.

Charles

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Puddles

02-17-2008 15:56:03




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Dcop, 02-17-2008 11:37:12  
If you値l give more information I can help you to a degree!
A licensed engineer friend of mine ran the numbers for my bridge crane. I have a 24-foot span x 40-foot travel crane; that is rated at 1-ton with a 4 to 1 safety factor. My weakest link is the rails, I used 12-inch x 31.8-pound S-shapes with a 20-foot span. The engineer suggested I go with a W-shape for the span beam, rip and S-shape in the center of the web and weld the web of the ripped S-shape to the center of the bottom flange of the W-shape. He said I would loose too much headroom because of the height of an S-shape required to carry the weight in a 24-foot span. Get this I used a W-12-inch x 79-pound, believe it or not the strongest part of my crane is in the center of the 24-foot span. Only because I used the W-shape!

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Puddles

02-18-2008 14:56:39




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Puddles, 02-17-2008 15:56:03  
Figured out how to post pictures on this site today. Here are a few of my bridge crane. The winch is for the power travel, I知 too old and wore out to be pulling a span beam! third party image
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135 Fan

02-18-2008 17:30:23




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Puddles, 02-18-2008 14:56:39  
Who put the 80 Tons on the beam? It looks pretty strong but not that strong. LoL Dave



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Puddles

02-18-2008 18:01:05




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to 135 Fan, 02-18-2008 17:30:23  
Hi Dave!
That was a spreader bar used for picking pre-cast utility vaults; I had to splice the two beams together to get the 24-foot span beam. You would not believe the amount of people who ask if the crane will pick 80-tons! (Insert roll eyes icon here) LOL! third party image

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135 Fan

02-18-2008 21:35:44




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Puddles, 02-18-2008 18:01:05  
It might have a little trouble just holding an 80 ton hoist up by itself? I would bet you get a laugh out of that big sign. That is a big beam though. Dave



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moonlite 37

02-17-2008 15:49:45




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Dcop, 02-17-2008 11:37:12  
Is the beam supported at both ends? The most common I or S beam as it is correctly called weighs 18.4 pounds per foot and measures eight inches tall and and 4 inches wide the flanges slope. I is the vernacular name and S is the commercial name.

The H beam is commercially called a W beam and rhe flanges are perpindicular to the web.

The S beamis more commonly used with a trolley. How much load do you want to pick up? In 20 feet span there is a measurable sag in its own weight but should not be significant. As I told in an earlier post I usually did not do the actual calculations mathematically but used the SWAG method. As a military draftsman I always told that the SWAG ebngineering method is Silly Wild A%$# Guess.

Most likely you will use about a 1.5 ton hoist and that beam should be ok by SWAG calculations.

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Dcop

02-17-2008 13:28:41




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Dcop, 02-17-2008 11:37:12  
Where did you get your gantry crane. It sounds like what I am wanting. How much is it rated for. I have 12 foot cielings in my shop so it should fit just fine.



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old

02-17-2008 13:06:46




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Dcop, 02-17-2008 11:37:12  
Years back when I built my shop I used mobile home frame for all the main beams. I also welded up to of them to hang a chain hoist on. They have proved to work well and have held any and all loads I have put on them and I have lifted the front end or a pick up up to the point I could change all 4 tires doing that so I know it will hold all I need it to.

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Billy NY

02-17-2008 12:40:54




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Dcop, 02-17-2008 11:37:12  
Consider the following:

1.) Design of footing and columns to support the beam

2.) Beam connection to columns

3.) You should have an engineer check what you propose to build and do some calculations to figure out what size beam to use, any other pertinent details and what the safe working limits are, including a safety margin above that.


4.) 20'-0" is a significant span, I'm not aware of any quick reference material that may help narrow it down, for a particular shape and size beam, the reason I always mention using a design professional to do the necessary calculations, is because when you overload it without realizing it, there is a strong possibility for failure and serious injury. Even if the span is not going to carry any real haeavy weight, just takes that one time when you think it's going to hold. This is really a life safety issue, others may disagree, but for what a design professional charges, it's worth every dime, once complete, the web of the beam ought to have the max. load stenciled onto it, so there is no mistake about it.

Simple thing to do is provide the engineer with the details of what you propose to build, include all additional rigging, your hoist and accessories, you might be suprised at the size of the beam required on that span. With the use of temporary shores, you could reduce the span and increase it's capacity, but being that it's not a permanent component of the building, might not be acceptable for a designer to sign off on.

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Charles (in GA)

02-17-2008 12:25:10




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 Re: overhead hoist in reply to Dcop, 02-17-2008 11:37:12  
A fixed beam? You will need a lot of height, how much do you have? Remember, you have the height of the beam, then the trolley hanging down, then a hoist, chain hoist, etc, hanging down. You need that stuff up out of the way when you use it. I have a portable gantry crane. I keep it set all the way up at the highest setting, the bottom of the beam is about 13 ft and that is OK for most things, but I wouldn't want it much lower.

I doubt a 4" wide by 8" high beam (which is a W series beam, sometimes called an H beam due to its shape) will be sturdy enough. You really need to find an engineer and pick a max load you want to lift and pad that amount some and then let him figure out what size beam will handle that load for the span. 20 ft is alot, I suspect it will take a pretty good sized beam. Don't forget, you also will need some sturdy posts or supports for it.

Also not sure how you plan to get it in place, but those darn things are heavy!

You might do well to do what I did, and buy a portable gantry crane. Mine has 12 ft clear between the uprights and as I noted rises to about 13 ft high. It is rated at 4000 lbs. The beam across it is a standard I beam (an S series beam) 8 inches high. The entire rig rolls very easily and weighs almost exactly 1000 lbs.

Charles

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