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butch from SD

02-13-2008 11:37:52




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We have an old hog lot and the wood posts are cemented in. I would like to replace some that are broken off and was wondering if there is a tool or technique that would make the job easier. Some of the posts in corners, ect. are in very deep cement. Any suggestions would be appreciated.




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jose bagge

02-16-2008 20:41:26




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
I pulled a bunch out using a method similar to ScottID's...I used an old semi truck wheel (22"?)instead of the barrel, though. Put the chain as close to the ground as possiblethen up and over the wheel and onto the back of the trusty geo tracker ( cheaper than a gator) with about 2 feet of slack. Get a nice running start, and the post plus 3 feet of cement popped out intact.



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Mike w J

02-14-2008 19:18:19




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
My brother has a forklift attachment on his skidsteer He sticks the fork in the ground beside the post to get under the bottom and lifts them out.



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Mark from the fort

02-14-2008 17:09:38




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
If you have any tractor with a boom-the bigger the tractor the better.
I used my Fergy 35 and pulled 28 4x4's out of my old house.
I would hook a chain as close to ground as possible, raise boom up until front of tractor would be a foot off of ground. I'd set parking brake and turn off tractor.(while still in air)
THen I'd simply walk back to post and rock it back and forth about 4 or 5 times and the weight of the tractor would walk the post straight up.
Once loose, could finish by hand.
I know, dangerous,-only if your not careful.
Mark

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jdemaris

02-14-2008 08:09:21




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
It's got to depend on the type of ground you have. I've pulled out posts in four-foot deep concrete collar-footers - sideways with just a choker-chain and small dozer. But, that was in Michigan sand. Last summer we moved a pole barn here in New York hard-pan soil. The posts were four to five feet deep with no concrete at all - and my biggest backhoe strugged to pull them out. Two of them we dug out instead. I was amazed at how stuck they were (they'd been in for over 40 years).

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Scott.ID

02-13-2008 20:31:31




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
Double wrap a chain as close to the bottom of the existing post if you can. Roll a stout 55 gal drum (W/lid) up against the post then run the chain over the drum and hook it LOW on your tractor. A lawn roller works REAL good for this.

When you pull it, the drum will act as a fulcrum and pull the post UP while you pull away. You'll probably end up crunching the drum after a couple of posts, but they're cheap and it's easier than digging all day.

Leverage is your friend, especially when your old!

Scott

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fixerupper

02-13-2008 17:58:24




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
If there is just six inches of crete around the top of the broken post, I've had fair luck driving a steel post right down in the middle of the wooden post and then pulling it out with the steel post. You might only get it six to eight inches into the post before your arms give out but that's usually enough. If there's a thick spot or a knot sticking out on the post below the cement this idea won't work but it might be worth a try.Jim

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Not brain dead

02-13-2008 17:27:18




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
I've been doing that type of work for 30 years. I will ASSUME you mean the posts are in concrete footings and not part of a concrete slab.

If the posts are broken off at the ground, dig around the footing so you can get a slip chain around the concrete a foot or so down. Attach the chain to a loader or whatever you have. Apply slow pressure until the chain grabs. then apply more and more until it comes out. You may have to bounce it some and you may have to move back and forth some depending on your soil. Keep other people back in case the chain slips. You will never get a broken post out of a footing.

It can take a tremendous amount of pressure to remove a footing from the ground.

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Andy C

02-13-2008 16:32:41




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
I have had very good results by cutting posts off flush and taking my KIWI post driver and driving another post right down on top of it. The result will be a very tight post. I only emphasized the kiwi driver as it is a very strong and straight hitter.
Good luck,
Andy



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dave2

02-13-2008 15:50:25




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
If you don't have anything hydraulic and have enough post sticking out to put a chain around, you can loop the chain around the bottom then lean a 2x6 or so a couple of feet long against it and run the chain over it. Hook the other end to truck or something and pull. As the 2x stands up, it'll pull the post. May have to take a couple of bites.

Good Luck.

Dave



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flying belgian

02-13-2008 15:12:01




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
Is this fence used to contain livestock or just for looks? If just for looks I would bolt an over size plate over the hole and then weld a saddle for new post on top of that.



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NE IA

02-13-2008 13:55:16




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
The different conditions are like looking at the stars. If you have a old floor that is pitted, cracked etc. just put charcole on them and burn them down. You may have to redo it a few times. It will make your concrete weak, but often that is not a problem.

The jackhammer is a option also, but you must remember if you do it yourself. NEVER try to split the wood incased in concrete. You will bury the bit, and you can not ever get it out untill the concrete is removed around it. Jackhamering a post out is not a simple project as you will learn real soon.

A sugestion of lifting is not practical 99% of the time as the post will snap at cement level and no way to wrap a chain on it. Best to break the cement around it IF it is only 4inches deep. Wrap a chain on it with a slip hook and pull it out with a loader. If it is cemented from the bottom of the post, you are screwed unless you can wrap a chain around the cement pier that is cast around your post. We do this often by digging post holes around the pier with a gas powered post hole digger to losten the compacted soil. Once in a while a backhoe can dig a tooth into the pier and wedge it out by curling the bucket. Seldom does any backhoe have the actual lift power.

Often we have decided to put in 1 1/2" solid shafting to replace the posts. Sound expensive, and I don't blame you for thinking I'm crazy for stating it. It is still cheaper than trying to dig them out and then doing so half way through the project after you give up. A jackhammer compresser with a blasting drill that is oversized works real fast. Then just fill in with a cement / sand mix to tighten in the posts. Be sure to predrill your posts in a drill press first to anchor your fencing. Often we use a cement curb a foot high with pig panels--make sure you alow for the curb. Predrill a hole for a rebar as well as the curb will crack at the post. The curb lets you corner the manure and keeps the pig panel out of the manure.

If you decide to pull the posts and they are incased in concrete to the bottom of the post with a rebar in the pier, you may want to think of grain croping instead of raising hogs.

In our area there are many hog operations giving way to the corperate farms. Many have the free standing T walls vented and non vented for little or nothing for price. Many are just buried or hauled away.

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jim shoe

02-13-2008 13:32:23




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
I had post's that were cemented in the same fashion. Luckily I had a neighbor w/ a small track hoe who was able to extract them w/ease by putting bucket under top edge & popping them out! He was an experienced operator who owed me a favor! What a livesaver! Good luck! Please note these post's laughed at a 1586 three point which ended up raising the front of tractor up w/ 1500lbs. of added weight on front!

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Stan in Oly, WA

02-13-2008 12:26:45




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
Hi Butch,

So far you've gotten two answers in favor of taking the footings out of the ground, and one for taking the posts out of the concrete. When I read your question, I got the impression you were asking for suggestions for an easy way to deal with what you've got. Are the broken posts broken off to the top of the concrete or do you have enough sound wood left to add stirrups to bolt in new posts?

I have to tell you, this is exactly the kind of project that would inspire me to think up some unconventional way to deal with it, spend five times the money and ten times the time it would take do do it conventionally, and eventually have it not work anyway. But that's just me.

All the best, Stan

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Dick L

02-13-2008 11:55:35




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
If it were one or two I would probly drill a bunch of holes and chip the rest out deep enough for the posts to stay fast.



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soundguy

02-13-2008 11:50:44




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
remember.. they are friction piles.. lift em straight up.. don't put any side pressure on them.

Got a tractor with a stout 3pt.. try to snatch them straight up..

soundguy



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MSS3020

02-13-2008 12:47:00




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to soundguy, 02-13-2008 11:50:44  
I agree with sound guy except be careful. Couple weeks ago i was removing a temp fence line i used ot seperate two horses. I went in with the 3020 with rhino 8 foot blade on the back. didnt want to take the time to remove blade, ran a chain from blade to t-posts. Yes I said t -posts. in the two weeks since I put them down they froze solid. I was standing on the ground and moving the lever to pull them up when i noticed the fron of the tractor about 15 inches up in the air. oops Took the blade off and yanked those suckers right out.

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soundguy

02-13-2008 16:17:37




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to MSS3020, 02-13-2008 12:47:00  
Yep.. don't give em any leverage on the tractor.. use a drawbar on the 3pt hitch.. plus you want them straight up.. an implement on the back may make it lift in an arc if the toplink is set wrong.. that puts a bind on them and then creates friction..

soundguy



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IH2444

02-13-2008 22:52:35




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to soundguy, 02-13-2008 16:17:37  
No offense intended Soundguy, but things pull up easier in Florida Sand. I sort of liked being able to sink a shovel to the backside in one push down there.



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soundguy

02-14-2008 04:56:51




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to IH2444, 02-13-2008 22:52:35  
It's not all sand here.. there's plenty of hard rock and lime rock.

Still.. Makes -0- difference.. a straight up pull on a friction pile is gonna be easier than yanking it out with a side load on it.. that's just plain physics...

soundguy



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IH2444

02-13-2008 11:49:17




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 Re: Replacing wood posts in reply to butch from SD, 02-13-2008 11:37:52  
I am curious on this too. The only way I know of is a jackhammer or backhoe.



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