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Anti-sieze or plain oil on head bolts? Opinions?

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ferg

08-11-2001 22:26:49




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I've always used 30W oil on head bolts...but I'm thinking of using antisieze grease (essentially grease with graphite) on my Ford....I think I might get a better torque w/ less binding.

What do you guys think?




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ferg

08-12-2001 14:21:10




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 Re: Anti-sieze or plain oil on head bolts? Opinions? in reply to ferg, 08-11-2001 22:26:49  
Wow...you guys came through.....I've used Fel-Pro bolt prep (GRA2) before when the head bolts are exposed to galleys or other "openings". In this head....the bolts are not exposed and don't need to be "sealed".

I'll probably go with the light coat of oil as Ford recommends....and yeah...I always coat the bottom of the bolt head....will take care of the exhaust manifold stuff w/ antisieze and reduce torque....

ferg

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Dean

08-12-2001 07:36:41




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 Re: Anti-sieze or plain oil on head bolts? Opinions? in reply to ferg, 08-11-2001 22:26:49  
No, it's not the "right stuff". I use Permatex #133A which is made specifically for head bolts, disc brakes, etc. I use a 1" paint brush with half the length of the bristles cut off. Apply a very small amount and work it evenly around the threads. Be sure to brush a small amount on the underside of the head of each bolt as well.

One of the other folks pointed out that you must use new head bolts. This is the most important point. Bolts tighten by elongating. Once they have, they will never torque correctly again. With most bolts, it doesn't matter. With head bolts, it makes all the difference in the world.

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Greg D.

08-12-2001 07:33:51




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 Re: Anti-sieze or plain oil on head bolts? Opinions? in reply to ferg, 08-11-2001 22:26:49  
Agree that never sieze isn`t the way to go, however the one area that also needs attention is the bottom side of the head of the bolt. There will be as much friction there as on the threads. Use a LIGHT coat of oil there as well as the washer should your engine have them.



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Burrhead

08-11-2001 22:48:44




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 Re: Anti-sieze or plain oil on head bolts? Opinions? in reply to ferg, 08-11-2001 22:26:49  
I never tried it but Ford manuals say not to use anything except plain engine oil. They claim the no-seize will eventually let head and flywheel bolts loosen on their own.



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hay

08-12-2001 04:55:18




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 Re: Re: Anti-sieze or plain oil on head bolts? Opinions? in reply to Burrhead, 08-11-2001 22:48:44  
i have always heard not to use anything on the threads. put them in and torque with clean dry threads. make sure the threads in the block are clean also. i run a tap to clean them out and then blow out with compresed air. the torque reading will not be accurate when the threads are coated.



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Mark Kw

08-12-2001 06:49:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Anti-sieze or plain oil on head bolts? Opinions? in reply to hay, 08-12-2001 04:55:18  
Unless otherwise specified by the engine manufacturer, a light coat of c-c oil is all that is needed on head bolts. I would be more concerned with cleaning the tapped holes as good as you can and using all NEW bolts.

To get a light coat of oil, I dip the threads of the bolts in a can of clean oil and place on a rag to drip off excess. Install as normal to specified torque value.

I have also done engines where I used anti-sieze but reduce the specified maximum torque value by 10%.

I am most concerned with exhaust manifold bolts. Use a good quality high temp anti-sieze on these. In most cases, these are what will give you the most trouble to remove after years of service. I'm not very fond of using copper based anti-sieze on exhaust systems because it does not work near as well as a good nickle based one does. Once again, reduce the max torque by 10% and then check for leaks, go to max torque if needed but do this when the engine is cold (room temp). Hot torquing will cause considerable over torque of the bolts and lead to serious problems.

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bob

08-12-2001 07:07:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Anti-sieze or plain oil on head bolts? Opinions? in reply to Mark Kw, 08-12-2001 06:49:56  

every thing mark has said is true except oil has a factor in torqueing tighting dry bolt will require more torque to have same effect. I worked in power plant and we used never sieze all the time because of high temps the copper will tend to ball up when removing in a dirty hot condition nichel is best all around lub buy keep top covered to keep dust out



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Mark Kw

08-12-2001 08:02:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Anti-sieze or plain oil on head bolts? Opinions? in reply to bob, 08-12-2001 07:07:44  
You are correct but I did not get into "dry" torque. In most cases where fastners are installed completely dry, no oil or any other type compound, you'll never get the bolt out again by turning it. There are exceptions to this when fasteners that have special properties are used and or because of the specific application.

Most engine bolts are black finish and have a light coating of oil or other type compound to help prevent rust during shipping and storage. This is taken into account when specs are listed for most engine assembly and thus giving the bolts a light coat of oil does not change the torque specs. Anti-sieze is a different animal and will allow for less friction during assembly and does require a 10% reduction in the torque value. The "10%" is not a carved in stone hard fact but is a good rule of thumb that will work in nearly all applications.

For thread locking compounds, these are generally considered to have the same lube properties related to torque tightening as is the light oil coating and is generally not a concern however, you should check the lable for specific directions before using.

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