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Steve B

08-11-2001 15:21:17




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What do I need to do to get a water line to a pole barn. The barn is 160' from my home. I just want to install a remote water bib. The line will need to go underground and under a gravel driveway as well. Any info will be appreciated.
Thanks Steve




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TNhillfarmer

08-12-2001 17:47:52




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 Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Steve B, 08-11-2001 15:21:17  
You could rig up an air blowout for the pipe if the water is not used regularly in cold weather. Place a valve in front of a tee. place a pipe to pipe adapter for an air valve core in the tee. when cold weather arrives, close the valve in front of the tee and open the valve at the barn. blow the line out with air.



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Steve B

08-13-2001 10:58:35




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 Re: Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to TNhillfarmer, 08-12-2001 17:47:52  
TNhillfarmer,
What kind of an air valve are you talking about?
Do they make a valve w/ this built in? This is excactly what I need. I want to be able to blow out the line... Thanks



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Paul

08-12-2001 13:42:22




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 Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Steve B, 08-11-2001 15:21:17  
Steve, like one of the other posts said - now's a good time to throw some phone line in the trench, and maybe also some wire to control a three way switch for a yard light. Sometimes the local phone guy will give you some spool end wire for nothing.



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easyirv

08-12-2001 03:52:46




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 Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Steve B, 08-11-2001 15:21:17  
I did this several years ago. I will try to be concise:
1: Depth is covered by code. In my area of MI. it is 60 inchs.
2: I dug down to the submesible well. Teed off usuing schedule 40 plastic pipe. Black stuff, comes in a coil. I put a valve, called a curb stop, just after the T. I took a piece of 4 in pve , cut a half round, set this on top of the valve. the 4 in is 4 feet long. I capped it with a plastic cap. The valve is 60 in. deep. This allows me to shut this off without digging 5 feet deep. 3: I dug a pit 8 ft. deep in my barn. Put a couple feet of gravel in. Then the 4? ft bury hydrant. (my memory isn't perfect.) I also put the curb stop arrangement in, there and another one i put in for my garden. I put a shutoff valve at each T or hydrant. In 10 years, no problems.
4: Check with your insurance co. You might be eligible for a discount for having a frost proof water source in your yard.
5: It was a lot of work, but it has saved me a lot of time & energy. Good luck, Irv LaLonde.

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Bert

08-11-2001 17:50:00




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 Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Steve B, 08-11-2001 15:21:17  

Like my pappy before me I plan to do it with the 2N pulling the ole' one bottom. Kind of a poorman's trencher.

You could use a tater digger (small middle buster) if the dirt was soft enough but the turning plow make for easier resodding, just fold it after adding a bit of gravel.



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paul

08-11-2001 23:00:39




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 Re: Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Bert, 08-11-2001 17:50:00  
Kinda hard to plow to 5 feet deep like we need here in MN with a Ford N..... :) Might not be deep enough for a guy in Penn. either.

--->Paul



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Bert

08-13-2001 05:33:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to paul, 08-11-2001 23:00:39  

Steve didn't specify where he was.
I'm talking about what I plan to do here in NC.

30" seems to be plenty deep here, just right for my rig. Granted it might require a second pass in dense clay.



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buck

08-11-2001 17:46:32




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 Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Steve B, 08-11-2001 15:21:17  

Dean is correct however would your water supply be closer to your barn than your house?



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Steve B

08-11-2001 18:48:02




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 Re: Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to buck, 08-11-2001 17:46:32  
Buck,
No, my well is on the other side of my house. I planned on just tapping into a water line in my garage and going out through the floor. I can however dig from the well over to the barn, How do i tap into that?



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buck

08-11-2001 19:12:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Steve B, 08-11-2001 18:48:02  

If you have a submersable pump you can attach to the supply line to your house at any location even if between the pump and your pressure tank. The type of pipe presently used from the pump will determine exactly how the connection will have to be made but basically you just tee into it. A benefit of connecting here is that you will not have the pressure/volumn drop here as you MAY have at other locations that have been reduced to smaller pipes ,longer runs and more use connections.

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Dean

08-11-2001 17:36:29




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 Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Steve B, 08-11-2001 15:21:17  
Be sure to get a "locate" done if you will be near any utilities. If you want to use it all year, dig a trench below the frost line. Some combination of a trencher and hand shovel are required. Run flex or rigid pipe, 1.25" or 1.50". Use a frost-proof spigot at the barn. They are rated in bury depth which must be the same or greater than your trench. 2', 3', and 4' are common. Be sure to use a shutoff at the house. Test for leaks before you backfill.

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greg

08-11-2001 18:50:20




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 Re: Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Dean, 08-11-2001 17:36:29  
Frost will be driven deeper under a driveway from traffic than what you will find, say, in the front yard. Traffic will sink the ol' frost sometimes 2x deeper than surrounding areas. If you are fortunate enough not to have consecutive days below freezing, then let your conscience be your guide on depth. Frost free hydrants are wonderful. Here in WNY they are a cattlemans blessing allowing watering the herd in any climate. Just make sure the drain off the unit will allow the water to drain promptly after the water is shut off, or it will freeze up on you. (been there, done that)

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Steve B

08-11-2001 19:44:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to greg, 08-11-2001 18:50:20  
Gregg,
How deep do you think I need to go? I'm in northeast Pa. Get's pretty cold here, But not Alaska. When I come up out of ground w/ pipe what keeps that from freezing?



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REDNECKMATT

08-12-2001 09:13:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Steve B, 08-11-2001 19:44:44  

Steve i'm in ne PA I put mine down 3feet have no trouble just make sure hydrent can drane or it will freeze anyway. Another word of advice buy some 4 inch flexible drain pipe and run your water ( electric/phone ) in this pipe saves you from digging it up if you would have touble. Just remember it's easer to put extra stuff in the ditch when it's open than to dig another one even if you don't plan on using it wires not that expensive

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MarkB

08-12-2001 04:52:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Steve B, 08-11-2001 19:44:44  
The only way to keep your above-ground pipe from freezing is to make sure that there isn't any water in it. You do this by using a frost-proof "yard hydrant". Go to your local plumbing supply house and tell them that you want a yard hydrant and they should know what your talking about. (Don't try to use the type of frost-proof faucet that installs in the wall, it won't work.)

Yard hydrants come in different "bury depths"; your plumbing store will know what size you need in your area. The overall length of the hydrant is about 3 feet longer than the bury depth, so a four foot bury depth hydrant is about seven feet long. The trick to these hydrants is that the valve is in the bottom, and there is also a drain in the bottom. When you install the hydrant, dig the hole a little deeper than the bury depth and fill the bottom with pea gravel so the water left in the hydrant can easily drain out.

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Chris

08-11-2001 22:37:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Steve B, 08-11-2001 19:44:44  
You are going to have to ask around locally for the proper depth. A local excavator or hardware should be able to give you an idea. The local building inspector can tell you what code requires. To keep from freezing you need a frost proof hydrant like was mentioned above. They MUST be installed correctly to allow a place underground for the water to drain to when you shut it off.



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M.R.

08-11-2001 23:14:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Water to a pole barn in reply to Chris, 08-11-2001 22:37:30  
The water drain on most of the frost-free's is threaded for 1/8" pipe, if you attach a street elbow with a 3-4" nipple pointing downward. This will help keep the silt/grit from washing back and forth [wearing the seal out prematurely]. You may even want to cut the bottom out of a plastic pop bottle and attach to the nipple and run it into plently of drainage rock or a short lenght of drain tile.

HTH

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