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Ohio Case

02-07-2008 14:46:27

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Does anyone have one of these? Or know if these things work? My old antenna is getting beat from the ice & wind. I am about 45 mile from one set of Tv stations and 65 mile from the others.

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T_Bone

02-08-2008 10:03:40

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

I too am out in the boonies about 50 miles from the towers. I just bought a new HDTV and didn't have a problem one using my old antenna and ampilfer for the digital channels.

One thing I've noticed tho is the SDTV channels are darker video with higher pitched tones where as the HDTV channels are brighter and have better tone quality (lower picth) just like our old analog TV had. This appears to be a programming thing, not a TV thing.

One thing I do like about the HDTV broadcasting is we gained 4 new PBS channels that I watch more than I do regular TV programming.

Now if I could just find a DVD recorder with a HD tuner for under $200. Wow where's our $75 VCR systems now? LOL

T_Bone

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tech4

02-08-2008 06:33:48

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

The house wiring antennas are just a couple of small value capacitors that couple the antenna to the wiring. This has been around for years and is basically a fraud to make money for the seller. Yes it may work to a small degree but no better than rabbit ears. It will be really worthless with the digital TV's because of no way to eliminate ghosts and phase differences in the TV signal. Oh it may work for some folks that are close to the TV station but a hunk of wire would do the same thing. The link below has some useful information and misconceptions of the new DTV.

Digital TV

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36 coupe

02-08-2008 02:25:38

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

A good antenna will block signals coming in from the back of the antenna. A rotor is a must.I used Channel Master antennas when installing antennas.Dont chisel on your antenna or think the house wiring will work.Dont worry about height,the tall antennas were the first to fall.It was hard to sell a good antenna system,people would spend 600.00 on a color tv then try to make do with a 2.00 rabbit ear antenna.

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buickanddeere

02-07-2008 21:33:23

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

Channel Master"s highest gain antenna, Channel master highest gain amp with flat wire in/coax out, RG11 satellite dish coax and a rotor. Picking up stations now from 75+ miles away I didn"t even know they were there until the upgrade. Have to add a couple of FM radio traps yet between the antenna & the amp. Channels 2-6 in particular and 7-13 are getting "herring boned". By several FM radio stations, particularly the new FM transmitter only 3 miles away.

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Sam#3

02-07-2008 20:58:46

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

The problem I see in trying to use the house wiring is height. How high is your current array how is your current reception? If the antenna is on or near the rooftop the wiring might work but 45 miles is pretty marginal for low elevation or low gain antenna. I would think 65 miles would be near impossible. With that said I can remember when TV was pretty new (1950's) I lived 100 miles from Tulsa, OK and almost 200 miles from KC, MO folks with a twenty foot high high gain arrays could pick up those stations most of the time but better at night. Without knowing all your circumstances I'd say replace you old antenna and orient it carefully.

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circus

02-07-2008 20:47:40

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

The problem isn't only getting a signal, it's blocking unwanted signals from different cities. I doubt house wiring could be aimed.
My 25 year old roof antenna and booster works better with the digital than the analog. 75 miles from three cities, I must get 50 or 60 crystal clear channels. Still nothing on.

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JeremyR

02-07-2008 19:11:36

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

All you need is a good uhf/vhf antenna. You DO NOT have to get digital tv. All you need is a convertor box. Coupons are available for it also.
best buy circuit city outfits just want your money. digital and hd are not the same analog channels take up about 6mhz of bandwith each. one digital channel of 6mhz can carry up 10 digials and up to4 HD channels. All this is to free up real estate in the airwaves.

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Bihhl

02-07-2008 18:35:27

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

Analog off-air is going away cable guy, unless you know something the FCC doesnt

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andrew youngman

02-07-2008 23:21:44

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Bihhl, 02-07-2008 18:35:27

Ummm Yea that is right. You can still recieve "open" air broadcast with a housetop antenna though. I was just trying to help out in a quick explanation. I would always tell somebody, if they are going the antenna route, to get the best possible model, especially if they live in the country, and they should in fact have an amplifier if the wire is to be split to more than 1 television. The amplifier should be mounted before the splitter. Some amplifiers can be mounted on the antenna mast, and powered up the RG-6 cable over the data/information/tv signal line. All you would need is a power inserter, and most amplifiers can accept the ac through the coaxial connection. I have never seen a home antenna one "too" powerful. While any antenna will capture the "hdtv" signal - I don't think they are selling "analog" hometop antenna's anymore - check your building store.....

You can however use an analog television with a converter to bring the HDTV signal down to a signal that your old tv can recognize and tune/recieve and bring to the screen.....

SO THEY CANNNOT MAKE YOU SUBSCRIBE TO CABLE TELEVISION OR SATELLITE TV, BUT YOU WILL NEED ADDITIONAL HARDWARE SOON - REAL SOON.

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Bihhl

02-09-2008 08:24:14

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to andrew youngman, 02-07-2008 23:21:44

Thats the problem cable guy THe governent will only give out the coupon if it is youre only option If cable service is avaible you will have to get cable. You know just enough to be dangerous. Six years will do that....Installer

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Mattlt

02-08-2008 06:09:10

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to andrew youngman, 02-07-2008 23:21:44

Does anyone know if a "whole house" converter box is available? I'd like to use one box where the antenna comes into the house vs. one on each TV.

Is this possible?

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Gene-AL

02-07-2008 18:03:36

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

House wiring isn't designed to be a TV antenna. A set of 'Rabbit Ears' would probably work as well, but I wouldn't bet on that either. If you're 45-miles from the nearest station, bite the bullet and get a real antenna (my humble opinion). Just about a year from now, you'll also need a new TV with a digital tuner OR a converter for use with an older analog TV on an antenna (Gov is handing out coupons to help folks buy converters, so they won't HAVE to buy a new TV). As I understand it, those on cable won't have to worry about it (for a while, anyway), since the cable company will do the digital to analog conversion for analog customers.

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Gene-AL

02-07-2008 18:09:58

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Gene-AL, 02-07-2008 18:03:36

Postnote:
An 'HDTV' antenna is probably just hype - your old antenna should be fine for digital TV. Of course a better antenna will give better results on any TV.

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IH2444

02-07-2008 18:03:25

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

The analog antennas pick up digital just fine.
Just get one that says it will pick up farther than your farthest station you get.

But I am not sure if the signal boosters that are in use for analog signals will work with digital signals. Anyone know the answer to that ?

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Gene-AL

02-07-2008 18:53:18

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to IH2444, 02-07-2008 18:03:25

A booster's real purpose is to amplify the TV signals AT the antenna (that's why it's mounted up there) to compensate for losses in the transmission line down to the set, so that the signal you get at the TV is as good as it would be if the set were mounted up at the antenna location and connected direct. The idea is to keep the signal to noise ratio as high as possible. That is, to keep the TV signals at all points as strong as possible above the fairly constant 'snowy' (noise) level (which we can't do much about). A good booster is a broadband device and probably won't adversely affect digital signals.

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IH2444

02-08-2008 09:01:04

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Gene-AL, 02-07-2008 18:53:18

Thanks Gene. I kinda figured they would work if the antennas still worked. Even though they call it a digital signal it is still an EM signal and must be reasonably close to the same frequency as analog signal.

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andrew youngman

02-07-2008 18:02:07

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

Open air antenna is not going away - I was a "cable guy" for about 6 years.

You have 2 options.

1. Get the best antenna you can that is rated for HDTV.

2. Get satellite and make the monthlies.

Both options have their advantages. Either way you will have to "upgrade" your tv as well in short time. Or get a downconverter to bring the viewable signal down to the old tv's.

Any questions ask.

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Bihhl

02-07-2008 17:36:38

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Ohio Case, 02-07-2008 14:46:27

Dont spend to much money off air analog is going away Feb 09

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02-08-2008 03:28:16

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to Bihhl, 02-07-2008 17:36:38

buy the best uhf antenna you can get. forget the vhf part because there will be none

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Bus Driver

02-08-2008 10:40:03

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Re: House wiring TV antenna in reply to ww, 02-08-2008 03:28:16

Some digital channels will be VHF.

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