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tractormarkb

02-06-2008 06:39:28




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Sitting here watching the snow fly in Michigans thumb this morning I am trying to plan out my spring project. I want to add a 15.5' by 74' by 7' high lean to on my pole barn. Next to the Barn it will be 10'high. I need to know A). How big of post I need to hold it up. B). How big of cross member to hold the rafters up. and C). How big of Rafter I need to use for 30 lbs/sq/ft snow load. Just using pine from the Lumberyard. rafters 2' oc. OSB/3 tab shingle Roof.Ive been waiting on a quote from the Lumber yard for 4 weeks now so I figure I just figure it out myself.I also have to have it inspected/permit etc. Any help would be appriciated. Tahnk

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Richard L

02-10-2008 17:33:03




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 Re: Lean-to Pole Barn Addition in reply to tractormarkb, 02-06-2008 06:39:28  
I would ask you to figure out how many more rafters you would need if you put them at 18". When I built my garage the inspector asked why I put my trusses at 18" instead of 2'. I just told him I might have something valuable inside I didn't want the roof to come in on. He never looked at anything else walked over signed off on everything on the permit and told me I didn't have to call him back any more. I don't know if he was ticked with my answer or thought I was doing every thing overkill. just my .02 Richard

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Richard L

02-10-2008 17:32:27




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 Re: Lean-to Pole Barn Addition in reply to tractormarkb, 02-06-2008 06:39:28  
I would ask you to figure out how many more rafters you would need if you put them at 18". When I built my garage the inspector asked why I put my trusses at 18" instead of 2'. I just told him I might have something valuable inside I didn't want the roof to come in on. He never looked at anything else walked over signed off on everything on the permit and told me I didn't have to call him back any more. I don't know if he was ticked with my answer or thought I was doing every thing overkill. just my .02 Richard

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David - OR

02-06-2008 13:31:09




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 Re: Lean-to Pole Barn Addition in reply to tractormarkb, 02-06-2008 06:39:28  
Assuming 30psf ground snow load and a 10 psf dead load and spanning 15 feet between supports, according to the IRC you'd need 2x10 rafters of #2 SPF or better for 2 feet on center rafter spacing. With only 7 feet on the outside wall you'd be down to 6 feet of interior headroom. You might happier with some flavor of half-scissors truss instead of ordinary rafters. The truss company will engineer a solution, it will probably be in the same ballpark price wise and give you more room inside.

As the other posters mentioned, with a pitch break or any other discontinuity in the roof that could cause drifts to accumulate in certain spots, the above assumptions are null and void.

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James St. Aubin

02-06-2008 13:24:37




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 Re: Lean-to Pole Barn Addition in reply to tractormarkb, 02-06-2008 06:39:28  
These replies are all great and obviously from knowledgeable builders, but from my experience, the only opinion that really matters is your building inspectors. I would check with him first. If he refuses to give you specifics, you are burdened with the engineering responsibility in which case I would caution on the side of overkill. When in doubt, go with heavier timber or marry two pieces up. Your biggest concern should be the footings.

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James St. Aubin

02-06-2008 13:24:03




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 Re: Lean-to Pole Barn Addition in reply to tractormarkb, 02-06-2008 06:39:28  
These replies are all great and obviously from knowledgeable builders, but from my experience, the only opinion that really matters is your building inspectors. I would check with him first. If he refuses to give you specifics, you are burdened with the engineering responsibility in which case I would caution on the side of overkill. When in doubt, go with heavier timber or marry two pieces up.

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NE IA

02-06-2008 10:28:53




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 Re: Lean-to Pole Barn Addition in reply to tractormarkb, 02-06-2008 06:39:28  
If there is a drop off height from your original building all bets are off with that snow load. As a real simple rule of thumb if you go on the gable end--I understand of course you are not--but in that case you double the second and third rafters. That is where the drifts end up.

A lean to without maintaing original roof angle has the same issues.

Regardless colapse insurance is kinda a mis understood evil with alot of assumptions. Check with your insurance man and then check with folks who had one go down on them. You will learn alot from the folks who had the misfortune.

Regardless overkill is cheaper than under done. I suggest anyone ever taking the low bid should be horse whipped on main street.

My sales pitch in a bidding war on buildings is this. I started in 1964 and as of today never lost a building with the exception of a barn falling on my addition in a tornaddo. I guess I'm kinda lucky that I never built a building where the wind blows or the snow settles on the roof. Go first class, you can afford it.

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Mark W.

02-06-2008 09:18:55




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 Re: Lean-to Pole Barn Addition in reply to tractormarkb, 02-06-2008 06:39:28  
6x6 - 8 ft. on center
2x8 rafters-16" on center
5/8" sheeting w/ H-clips
2-2x10 along the 6x6s, I notched the inside of my 6x6 to help support weight. Once you figure the cost differential you will see the need to go heavier all things considered. You will be less than a 3/12 pitch so your rafters need to be heavy. Please go 16" on center, you wont regret it.



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jdemaris

02-06-2008 08:56:41




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 Re: Lean-to Pole Barn Addition in reply to tractormarkb, 02-06-2008 06:39:28  
Why you'd build something intentionally with only a 30 pound rating is beyond me. If you build the roof steep enough with steel roof panels, then it would shed snow on its own. But otherwise? What are you going to do if you are away sometime and get an unusal snow load built up on that roof? 80 lb. load is the minimum requirement in my area of New York now - except for farm buildings which can be exempted.

As to your question - first it depends on the type of wood. White Pine is weak as compared to Yellow Pine and I have no idea what pine you are citing. I wouldn't use white pine for any structural load-bearing work. It's a waste of time and money.

With Yellow Pine, Fir, etc. (high strength wood) you can span 15.5 feet with 2' centers with 2 X 10s and get a 30 lb. min. rating. 2 x 12s will give you a 40 lb. rating.

With the headers that will span the poles and support the rafters:

If the poles are spaced 8' - double 2X6s will work.

If the poles are spaced 10' apart - double 2X8s are needed.

If the poles are spaced 12' apart - double 2X10s are needed. If the poles are spaced 14' apart, double 2X14s or triple 3x10s are needed.

For poles, I'd only consider 6X6s. Be careful when buying since many pressure-treated 6x6s are NOT rated for burial in ground if bought under 10' or 12' long. And, in my area, NO 4X4 pressure-treated poles are rated for in-ground use anymore.
It all changed when CCA got phased out, and the more expensive ACQ treatment became the standard.

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aFORDable

02-06-2008 07:52:59




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 Re: Lean-to Pole Barn Addition in reply to tractormarkb, 02-06-2008 06:39:28  
I recently added a 20x60 that is taller than yours will be. I used 6x6 post, 2x6 cross members and 2x4 rafters. These were all hardwood (oak) that a local sawmill cut for me so they were full cut. When building, I'd rather be safe than sorry if I'm going to do all of that work. Check with your neighbors to see what has worked for them. I'm in Ky. so you will have much more snow than we get.



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paul

02-06-2008 22:28:17




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 Re: Lean-to Pole Barn Addition in reply to aFORDable, 02-06-2008 07:52:59  
I was gonna say, wow that sounds weak! Buy you have no snow so it can work for you.

Me, I'd never do tar shingles on this, tin all the way. Sounds like a disaster with tar shingles. Cheaper & easier to put up some 2x4 every 2 feet & screw down tin, lets water & snow slide off easier, and lasts a lot longer.

--->Paul



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bellyacre

02-06-2008 07:48:24




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 Re: Lean-to Pole Barn Addition in reply to tractormarkb, 02-06-2008 06:39:28  
Best to call your building inspector and get your local specs. different areas have different regulations.



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