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Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista?

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s.crum

02-06-2008 05:39:28




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Some of you may remember a couple months ago I was in the market for another computer. Well on a regular basis I get mailings from Dell as a member of the NFIB. Some of their pricing is almost to good to be true. Well I've heard so many marginal things about Windows Vista and problems with interfacing, program compatability etc. that I shyed away. Some of this was from Geek Boy son and his college buddies. When I called Dell about their "custom built" computers, I was told they would not supply Windows XP only Windows Vista. They would how ever supply a considerably more expensive system with XP. So I said gee thanks and went to Wally World and bought an Emachines that was almost identical to the Dell for about $25 less and with XP. The amusing part of this is, now I'm getting mailers from Dell offering Vista or XP. Does this change of heart on Dell's part signal that Vista isn't all it's cracked up to be? Or is Dell actually listening to their customers? Or is it market forces and people having shown Dell their willingness to walk away?

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LONG HAULER

02-08-2008 17:11:45




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
GOT A DELL ALSO AND WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER. MOST EVERY TIME YOU CALL YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR SOMEONE THAT SPEAKS ENGLISH. HAD PROBLEMS AND THEY SAY SO. LAPTOP SCREAN WENT OUT PAID 900 FOR LAPTOP AND A NEW SCREAN WAS 300. WHEN I OPENED IT, IT SAID REBUILT.THAT MAKES ME PI--ED. NEXT ONE WILL BE hp or some one else.



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evielboweviel

02-08-2008 02:45:27




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
bought the wife a Dell at WallyWorld last august.
laptop, 2 meg mem, other things Dell considered uppgrades on their site for 200 less than Dell would sell it to me for. Works great she is very happy with it. Uses it anywhere in the house and gives no more problems than the XP machines do
Ron



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T_Bone

02-07-2008 10:41:38




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
Well I've had Vista premium for about 7mths now on a Toshiba lap top. I'm not impressed as Vista requires costant tweaking to keep it running well.

Vista updates are terrible and require me to restore after a automatic update or it slows my dial-up connection down something terrible. Vista only keeps restore points for 7days so I have to restore every week to keep my fast restore point active.

I just went thru a complete Vista re-install because of a bad Intel video driver update that I couldn't get rid of. On XP I could be back up and running with-in 3hrs of a re-install and with Vista it was 16hrs.

I don't know if the problem is Vista or Toshiba that glitchs so much but it's a continual fight to keep Vista running smooth. If I could get XP drivers for my Toshiba, I would re-install XP in a heart beat.

Vista SP2 is in beta testing now and it'll be a couple months before it's released to the GP. I sure hope that helps.

I also compare Vista to Win98. Win95 was a humming OS just like XP is. XP stomps win98 all to heII.

T_Bone

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TXFarmallFan

02-07-2008 09:01:13




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
I dont know anything about Vista, but I wouldnt have a Dell if it was given to me for free.



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Stan in Oly, WA

02-07-2008 08:44:58




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
Hi Steve,

I don't know whether Dell is actually listening to their customers (they probably are since several previous responses indicated that they were) but I wonder if more companies would actually listen to their customers if they got the chance. We generally assume that huge companies view us as an almost unlimited school of tiny, gullible fish, so any individual complaint goes directly into the round file (or its electronic equivalent.) Viewed that way, it's hard to bother to take the time to voice a complaint directly to those who could actually do something about it. We grumble to each other and get some small amount of cold satisfaction from knowing that we're not alone.

Even a company that took the common sense view that treating its customers well would be good for business would be hard pressed to be very responsive if the only feedback they got was the quarterly sales figures.

I've often thought about an incident where I ate in a restaurant where the waitress who served my table was terrible---incompetent with a bad attitude. My response was to not leave her a tip and not eat in that restaurant again. Since I'm a fairly outspoken guy, I imagine that more people than not would have handled it the same way. Only later did it occur to me that it was likely that the owner didn't know that this employee was turning customers against the restaurant every minute she worked there.

If Dell has to listen to their customers through sales figures, it's not really doing either Dell or the customers any good. Maybe what we should do when we get in a situation like yours is to call Dell (or whoever) back and tell them that they lost a sale to Wal-Mart (or whoever) because of their refusal to provide the product we asked for.

All the best, Stan

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Not Me

02-06-2008 20:12:46




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
My mom went out to buy a new computer for her business. She bought a top of the line unit with a color laser printer. The printer would not interface with Vista. It took several months of work and driver upgrades to get this combo to work. When the hard drive failed on the computer, she had to go through it all over again. Vista is a turkey. Decided not to replace my computer until this debacle is past...

Just my $0.02,

Aaron

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don t-9n180179

02-06-2008 08:46:04




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
We bought a new puter at xmas. I called Dell, told them I wanted XP. It was done. I also had them upgrade the hard drive and a few other things "while I was there". The last puter (Dell) lasted 10+ years. One thing I do like is the 20" flat screen. I can actually read it w/o all the glare and w/o glasses(big grin). Have fun.....don t. .....



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rockyhawaii

02-06-2008 08:19:15




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
For the past year I've used Vista and experienced no problem. Maybe it's that I don't do complicated things with my computer, but I just don't see what the complaints about Vista are all about. I turn it on, use it, and shut it off. What more do you need?



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Howard H.

02-06-2008 07:42:23




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  

No - Dell backed off of forcing it down people's throats...

For a while, they tried that Vista only - for "home users". On their "small business" side of sales, they have always offered XP, as far as I know.

They knew very many businesses were very reluctant to jump to Vista and Dell didn't want to lose sales.

Since Vista is perceived as such a huge turkey overall now, they've really relaxed the requirements now.

Howard

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Butch(OH)

02-06-2008 07:16:44




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
First off if you confuse me with a "puter expert your in big trouble but I stayed away from Vista for the reasons you stated. When my old "puter (was running Windows ME, LOL)finaly quit for good in December I went to Micro Center looking for a refurbed unit that had an XP operating system. The rep talked me into Vista and after a steep, but brief lerning curve I am glad he did. Vista does a lot of things on auto pilot and I like that. Things like new hardware and software are easier than you wil ever belive. I also like the fact that All the users in the house (5) can have their own desktop. Like I said I am no "puter geek, I just want to read my email and look at a few web sites like this one, and for that Vista works very well,,, so far.

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Mike M

02-06-2008 07:01:27




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
Try an Apple.



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coloken

02-06-2008 06:26:12




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
The sun might actually be shining. Since Dell does all their busines on a customer to customers basis,it could be that they are listening. The problem is that newer components may not have drivers for the older XP. Example, is like a new, fancy video board is made for vista but the company does not make a driver for XP. Then the total machine will not run XP. Solution is to use an older video board. Probably cheaper. Course XP would not do the new fancy things like "tranparancy" that vista can.

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IH2444

02-06-2008 06:18:04




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to s.crum, 02-06-2008 05:39:28  
I read where Microshaft is coming out with a Vists "upgrade".



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coloken

02-06-2008 06:41:46




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 Re: Genuine Dell? Problems w/ Vista? in reply to IH2444, 02-06-2008 06:18:04  
Yea, and people wil probably even buy it. Did anyone ever explain that if you have a disk of Vista you can install it and test it for 30 days for free befor it shuts down?



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