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Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite

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Billy NY

01-28-2008 16:38:26




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I think I'll eventually get a splitter, when I find one I like and the price is right, but for now hand tools will do, and it's been a long time since I've even split wood, was wondering what was everyones preference was in hand tools.

Obviously safety is high priority, I'm in no hurry, just want to keep ahead of the wood stove with all this wood I just dragged in, some needs to be split, but most of it is small diameter.

Ironically, this dead elm, hard and dry, not soft or sponge like ( what is the term for that when soft ?) it cuts nice, did not dull the cutters at all, took a 24" dia. tree down before sunset, saw went right through it with little effort, stump was hard too, might not be easy to split even though it's been dead 2-3 years, looks like it's tight, elm sure don't split when cut alive but sure cuts nice now.

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DiyDave

02-04-2008 10:56:40




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
My favorite wood splitting tool is my woodmizer sawmill. All the slabs burn real easy, and so do defects and mistakes!



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db in mi

01-30-2008 18:39:29




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
I am a city boy moved to the country, and the wife wants to start heating with wood. We had a couple of trees in the yard taken down so i split it with a hyd. splitter, I couldn't emagine splittting it all by hand.Now the stupid question, what is the differance between a face cord of wood and a cord of wood?



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Billy NY

01-31-2008 06:28:22




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to db in mi, 01-30-2008 18:39:29  
A full cord, the common term used to just be cord, or a tight stack of wood that is 4'-0" wide 4'-0" high x 8'-0" long. Dimensions of how long the wood is cut can vary, say the pieces are 12", you would have roughly 4 rows to make the width of a cord, I am led to believe that a "face cord" would be one row, again the the lengths can vary, one of those things, buyer beware, locally a full cord is $200-$250 that is dry seasoned, split and delivered usually dumped off, you stack.

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Fergienewbee

01-30-2008 08:20:07




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
I use an 8# splitting mall. It's nice to see others think hand splitting is faster. I'm no John Henry, but I think given nice straight-grained ash, oak, or maple, a guy could beat a hydraulic splitter hands down, due to the slow response time of the hydraulics. A twisted, stringy elm or oak that's been standing all alone in the wind is another matter. Splitting wood is honest work and as Thereau said it warms you twice.

Larry

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farmerweber in PA

01-29-2008 22:31:44




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
I'm with Rauville on this one.Powder wedge is the only way to go on big hard pieces.(just make sure you have lots of fuse).



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paulatclf

01-29-2008 19:47:52




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
I have a small collection of different splitting tools. Starts with a different wedges, 2 other different wedges that split a log in 4 pieces. Another wedge that rides up an down a column welded to a base. I have a regular maul, another one that I welded a pick pin on the back of, a chopper 1 maul, a collins axe, a super heavy weight triangular maul. I have a stickler cone splitter, and a tow behind 28 ton hydaullic splitter. I don't burn much wood though.

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ArleninOr

01-29-2008 12:02:13




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
My son and his buddies. Sure is fun watching someone else work for a change.



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Rauville

01-29-2008 11:18:12




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
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A little black powder and fuse with one of these works great. :-)
Just don't use it after the neighbors are in bed!!



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36 coupe

01-30-2008 13:45:52




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Rauville, 01-29-2008 11:18:12  
You havent bought any black powder latley.



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Billy NY

01-29-2008 17:34:01




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Rauville, 01-29-2008 11:18:12  
You are kidding right ? LOL ! I've vaguely heard of one of those somewhere. Now as a kid who loved to blow things up, within reason of course and experiment a little, you had to show me that thing....LOL !!! Now I suppose we'd save that for the 4-5 foot diameter stuff and toss a blasting mat over it and run for the hills ???? Don't think that powder is available anymore, is it ?

Well I saved that photo, my friend does a fair amount of wood and heats his place with it, many saturday's he'll swing by and well go to his folks place to get a load of wood, he will get a laugh over that thing for sure.

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Brian G. NY

01-29-2008 11:09:19




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
Without a hydraulic splitter, there is gonna come a time when you will need wedges and a 12 lb. sledge. I say wedges (plural) 'cause sure as heck you will get one hung up and need the second to free the first. It's a little tuff to do but sometimes when you get a real tuff piece you can "split" it with your chain saw. At 66, I try to avoid anything requiring wedges, but I find that it is sometimes faster to split nice straight grained Red Oak, Ash or Maple with a good sharp splitting maul. As someone mentioned, make yourself a splitting "block" on which to set your wood while splitting as doing so on unfrozen ground will absorb much of the shock and just waste your energy. My brother (when he was young) used to sell firewood, all of which he split by hand. He would give the axe or maul a "twist" just as it struck and the pieces would "snap" right off. I could never do it as well as he could.

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Billy NY

01-29-2008 17:38:57




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Brian G. NY, 01-29-2008 11:09:19  
He must have really had a good method to have been able to process enough to heat and sell.

I won't be dealing with any large stuff, yet, but I may stack some up for next year, split as I need it. I agree, there is nothing like wasting a lot of energy to do nothing, best to use ones smarts, coach of our football team used to really emphasize, playing with smarts and make every push count.



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John H in MD

01-29-2008 10:24:50




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
Around here we use an 8# "go devil" or splitting maul. They seem to be the quickest once you know what you're doing and learn to read the grain in the wood. Once you find the wind shake you've got it licked (check in the heartwood).



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Billy NY

01-29-2008 10:30:41




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to John H in MD, 01-29-2008 10:24:50  
You're right the grain has a lot to do with it, kind of like ripping rock with a crawler, if your fight the grain you won't get very far, thankfully I have not gotten to some of the larger diameter hardwood yet, but between now and next fall,I'll eventually have some splitting to do.



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jdemaris

01-29-2008 09:39:42




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
I heat with 100% wood and split and stack around 15-20 full cords a year (not face-cords which would be three times as much).

Not sure a favorite could be picked - it all depends on the type of wood. Easy wood I use a regular splitting mall because it's the fastest. Tougher wood I use a heavy monster mall. If that just bounces off a real hard piece, I use a sledge and a separate wedge.

Nice straight grained white ash, soft maple, beech, etc. spit fast and easy with a monster mall.

But . . . get big some curly "near the stump" wood from a red oak, white birch, or sugar maple - your monster mall will do nothing, and a wedge and sledge hammer will often result in a stuck wedge.

I get access to a lot of 4 foot plus diameter oaks and hard maples that the power company cuts down for line clearance. I get it since many other wood-burning people pass it up since it's too hard to move and split. It has to be mostly split on-site since 4' and larger diameter wood is too much work to move when whole. I DID move some last summer by cutting into short 14" lengths and rolling it up ramps into my truck. For the most part, I use a three-point hitch splitter on the back of my diesel IH tractor and drive to the tree - split - and then load and move. I've got an American three-point HD splitter with a 4" bore cylinder and a PTO powered pump. Even with the 4" cylinder I've had a few pieces of curly hard maple it would not split without help.

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Billy NY

01-29-2008 10:27:05




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to jdemaris, 01-29-2008 09:39:42  
Yeah, there is some benefit from the power company right of way's, easements and company owned land. 4 foot diameter is serious business, I can see having a splitter on the tractor is valuable there, easy to get to the work area. With all the work and if you have the time and the right set up and seeing the photos of your place, and I'll bet it is a lot of work, but you're probably still ahead by using wood. I could keep 2 big fireplaces going here + this woodstove that's sat idle since the early 80's, but I'd have to maximize my efficiency in processing the wood. I do like it as a supplement and to keep a good supply on hand, no snow, and frozen ground sure makes decent conditions for dragging them in.

Have to wonder if you do any dragging of logs, I dragged one in last night safely with my tractor that is heavily ballasted well balanced and hitched below the line of the axle, mostly on the flat but up one hill. Base was 24" dia. Not something I do often either but with the ground frozen, having a clear path knowing when enough is enough, the front end never got light, was nothing to snag on, and if you do the tires will spin on the frost, one turn I had to unhook and swing the tail end over to get by. I've been trying to find a place locally or within reasonable distance that can re-line the clutch plates for my old D7 Cat, I can get the segments but have to drill em, counter bore them, rivet/bond, there must be a place in this area or towards your neck of the woods that does frictions for cranes and the like, just have to match the thickness of the friction material when new, that would really be ideal for getting some of these blow downs out to a header and pull em up to the house in a bunch. It's been idle for a few years, though I keep turning both motors over so they don't get stuck. While it's frozen I'll probably do the same as you for now, get the truck in there and cut em up where they lay, dump em off up at the house, towing logs with the tractor all the way to the house is really not a great idea.

I can remember when I first heard face cord mentioned, it was always a cord here, 4x4x8, just another way to make a smaller amount and make more money, I read somewhere awhile ago that it's not a legal unit of measure, buyer beware, but you can't knock these guys selling fire wood it's dirty, dangerous hard work to say the least.

Your right about the splitting, no one tool is the cure all, I'll skip the hard pieces for now and keep it simple.

That red oak seems to burn great, I recently helped a friend cut up some large chunks, 3-4 feet dia., hard work is right on that stuff. I have a large oak down, across the 20 acre pond, adjacent to a diner and a steep hill on one side, water on the other. I've got to figure out how to get it across, maybe float it in chunks, well worth going after, anything hardwood, stumps included, I've washed the dirt off a few and cut em up with the saw, and I'll take a tree right down to the upper branches, it all burns !

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jdemaris

01-29-2008 11:25:15




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Funny you never heard "face cord" - it's the common measure here although it's usually just called a "cord." Seems the "face" got dropped 20-30 years ago. Just about any ad in the newspaper with firewood for sale will have the price per cord - and that cord is just about always a face-cord, not a full cord. Price right now seems to be anywhere from $30 - $75 per "cord" and $200 ore over for a full cord. Face cord is 4' x 8' by whatever length it's been cut at. Obviously, for someone making money selling wood, the shorter the better. Usually around 14". So, an average face-cord is 4'X 4'X 14". I burn 22" wood - so my kind of "face cord" would take a lot more wood. In regard to dragging wood, I try to avoid it, but do it sometimes when the ground is frozen. It makes a mess of fields and trails - and the dirt on the logs does a number on saw chains. A friend of mine (retired farmer) has 400 acres of hardwoods about three miles from me. Power company came through two years ago and cut a huge right-of-way. There's a mountain of logs over there, on top of the real mountain where we can't even get a 4WD truck into. This stuff is huge, hard maple, beech, white ash, butternut, hickory, pig nut, red oak, hemlock, white oak, and white pine. The pine and hemlock we're leaving behind for now - but the rest we are skidding down with a little Deere 1020 wheel tractor. I've been hesitant to bring my dozers over there and have to leave them unattended (and maybe vandalized).
We decided to try it with the 1020 thinking it wouldn't do much - but it far exceeded our expectations. The 1020 is his and left there all year locked up in a pole barn. You just have to keep the front of the logs off the ground if possible with leads so popping some wheelies here and there - but it's all downhill. We've dragged up to three logs at a time, around 2' diameter and 15' long. The 4 footers we take one at a time. If I don't get the rest out by next year, much of wood is going to get ruined. Some of it should of gone to the saw mill to make boards, but it's too late for that now. All my other kids are grown and gone raising their own children - but I have one little 4 year old that's with me all the time. Here's some dangerous "child abuse" photos of my little kid with me after I rolled some big pieces into my truck. These were taken last fall.

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Billy NY

01-29-2008 18:10:42




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I still see full cords advertised here, and it's in the $200-$250 range, also see variants of face cords like you mentioned, but when I was a kid it was mostly just a full cord, was under $100 at least, can't remember, we never had to buy any, everything came from the farm. We had a big house, not much insulation in it, that fireplace sure helped the oil fired/hot water heat.

I'll bet that is a favorite field, nice shot and you've got a helper, that darned log dwarfs him without a doubt, must be your youngest one.

Sounds like a good find, I wonder if Asplundh did the forestry job for National Grid/Niagara Mowhawk, I knew one of their crews from here, foreman's name was Benny, really nice people, much appreciated what they did over here.

Boy that is a pain when you can't leave a piece of equipment on ones property, must be kids on atv's, I won't leave anything out here either, can't afford some numbskull doing that.


Must have been suprised at the 1020's ability, my friends father uses a 2020 for towing logs at his place for many years, I've spent a little time in the seat on that one, the front end comes up slow, and you can feel your way with it, but you do need to be real careful, his oldest son, a good friend of mine had it moved to his place, he's over in (east berne just east of rt 30) to move some large pines he took down, I had all I could do to watch and help, he took some really big logs up the hill and out of the way, uses a boom pole, his dads place is mostly flat, but that 2020 certainly is a darned good tractor, I've seen him walk out of some deep snow with that thing, no chains, but tires are loaded. I never really liked them only because they sure take some time to get used to sitting up so high, and when you are on a slope the @ss pucker factor sure ain't no joke, I can attest to some hair raising experiences when I was a kid in regards to slopes, yet I was probably safe, something about sitting up so high on them when on slopes makes me feel uneasy and I've never been afraid of operating any kind of equipment.

It's always a shame to see wood go to waste, especially saw logs, hopefully you can get it out, surprised no one made a deal to take it to the sawmill, technically does'nt the power company own it ? Even if it softens a little on the outside, say 1" or so, I still burn it, just make sure it's dry, not sure what people do there, it seems a shame to waste it if most of it is hard.

Asplundh sure had a nice crawler with a log grapple and other forestry equipment, boy I'd have tried to make a deal to get it down the hill, those guys certainly can cut some wood in a day when clearing, they came through and widened the right of way here not that long ago, left a nice stack for my neighbor, small stack on my side.

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jdemaris

01-30-2008 05:36:06




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 Re: A few photos in reply to Billy NY, 01-29-2008 18:10:42  
It wasn't Asplundh. I used to be a foreman with Alplundh back in the 70s - what a boring job. Mostly routine power line clearance - and a lot of dangerous emergency work with little protection from live wires.

The power company - former Niagara Mohawk and now the British owned National Grid - did a large right-of-way on my property and on my friends (where the photos were taken). Alplundh did the road building - but some French-Canadian outfit did the tree cutting. At the same time, the power company was also doing a right-of-way on my property in the Adirondacks in Hamilton Co. Up there, Reese Tree Co. was doing it and had a John Deere 540 skidder with a boom on it. On my friend's property - he owns land and therefore the trees - they only have the right of clearance to keep the lines safe and accesible. On my land - some spots they own and some spots I own. All the trees on all the properties are ours - not there's - by ownership and/or written agreement. The problem with the big logs was - they were stacked on a steep side hill and starting to slide downhill into the woods. At the time they were cut the ground was wet - and if we dragged them out it would of done a lot of damage to road, sidehills, other standing trees, etc. So, we had to wait for a dry spell in the fall. As far as dragging the logs with the Deere 1020 - I wouldn't of tried it unless I owned the tractor. But - my friend owns it. He's a retired dairy farmer and lived with a small Deere dealership at his farm. He grew up with Deere tractors. I've got many photos of him on 530 and 620 two-cylinder Deeres - pulling logs with the front end high in the air. He knows what he's doing. He's 70 years old now - never been injured - was an excellent farmer - and his equipment seems to last forever (he takes good care of it). Ironically, he lives in Florida now with no Deeres. He kept all the woodlots and hayfields from his farm and sold the rest. He comes up every summer and camps there for a few months. His only tractor now - where he lives in Florida is a Kubota. Up here it's the 1020 (actually it's a yellow 300 industrial - same thing). I've been cutting wood on his land for 30 years. Many times the conservation dept. came in and marked it - and he actualluy got paid for me to remove the marked trees even though I kept the wood. I also own around 160 acres of forest-land here. I have enough wood fall to the ground on its own every year without cutting any healthy trees. I can't keep up with it. Getting that kind of wood takes a lot of time. So, when there's big stuff available from right-of-ways - I grab it.

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projacktech

01-29-2008 15:28:29




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 Re: A few photos in reply to jdemaris, 01-29-2008 11:25:15  
In Kentucky we call a face cord a "rick" and thats the way its always advertized and sold. I think most of the country uses "cord" and "face cord".



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Billy NY

01-29-2008 17:42:39




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 Re: A few photos in reply to projacktech, 01-29-2008 15:28:29  
I've heard of a "Rick" before, might be more common down your way, my friends parents moved out of here to Tennessee years back, his dad always returns to deer hunt, he told me they show up in parking lots and wait for a buyer.



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Mr. Bob

01-29-2008 08:46:52




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
I use, and have used a "monster maul" for many years. I used to do 50 cords a year when I both sold wood and burned it myself. Now I only do for my own use(about 15 cords a year". Swinging a monster maul is no problem for me whether I use a "round house" swing or a straight down "drop swing". Anything that I can't do with the maul, I simply whittle it down to a size that the stove will accept with a saw. I'm 63yo and as yet the "monster maul" works fine for me. Mr. Bob

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01-29-2008 07:35:42




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
Hello Billy
My favorite wood splitter is called chapper one. It has 2 levers on both sides of the axe's body
that cam out and through the wood apart, sometimes 10 feet on each side!
For cord wood splitting I do like my power splitter!
Fernando.



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maplehillfrm

01-29-2008 06:11:39




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
I believe the word you are looking for, [at least what we call it around here-also upstate ny] is punky,,,, I have to agree with teh rest of the consensus a splitting maul is the way to go, its a lot faster,, I used to do all my wood with a maul prior to my injury,, now well I sort of get the neighbors and my 16 yr old to do it, I miss it though,,

If you can let the cold get to it before splitting they will pop with little effort,, dont start hitting in the middle of the log start at the edges and get a crack going and then follow it down, after the log is split in half -- they will split easier,,

I find by putting the log to be split up on another log for a base it splits easier,, you dont lose any "thump" into the ground,,

It took a long time to get a splitter here,, if the wood is to knotty,, to split , try ripping it down the center approx 1/2 way--- and then split it with the maul, that works too,

if you need practice I have a bunch of maple that is dragged down in front of the woodshed,, been sitting for a few weeks should be good and froze ,, they would pop easily,, come on down,, hahah just kidding,

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Billy NY

01-29-2008 08:27:18




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to maplehillfrm, 01-29-2008 06:11:39  
Yep, punky or dozy I've heard before, I've got some older logs left by the power company with a little of that, I've burned it outside, the outside dries quick and still burns like seasoned hard wood, I'm dragging as much into the yard as possible, maybe toss a log of that in there with the dry elm to get rid of it.

What you describe, is how I recall doing it, you've got to get that crack started, theres a methodology behind it no doubt, same as breaking concrete, some basic knowledge is required or you will be chipping, hammering away and getting nowhere. I've got the old ax head I used years back, time to re-handle that, and get a few mauls, also look at what the others described. I'll most likely do something about getting a splitter, although I'm not sure how much I will use or need, by hand is good exercise, just like cutting them down, dragging em in and cutting them up, now where'd you say that maple was again ? ;).

Besides the elm, I just dragged some green maple in, good sized tree split in 3 ways, only this one fell, I'm thinking of tying the other pieces off with cable, it's in an old hedge row and helps provide some privacy, was a nice solid tree, wind not lightning believe it or not strangest one I've seen in awhile, the piece I cut up was still alive, I figured it was dead, as the split section sure looked it, but now that it's frozen good, I'll bet it splits nice.

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Gary from Muleshoe

01-29-2008 04:14:43




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
The best tool for splitting wood belongs to someone else, with them using it. LOL



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Billy NY

01-29-2008 08:09:56




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Gary from Muleshoe, 01-29-2008 04:14:43  
Ain't that the truth !



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Ryan - WI

01-28-2008 16:53:11




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
The best "tool" I ever found for splitting by hand was a nice day of about 15 degree temperature.

The best "axe" I ever used was called a Monster Maul. You don't swing it roundhouse style though.



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JK-NY

01-28-2008 17:22:33




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Ryan - WI, 01-28-2008 16:53:11  
I agree , splitting green wood is easier when it has been down well below freezing for a couple days/nights. I also use a "monster maul"(15#?) .I heat my house primarily with wood and split almost all of it by hand with the monster maul. I do have a splitter - looks almost like the one pictured below, but I only use it for the few tough chunks the monster maul wont split. I can actually split wood faster with the monster maul than I can with the hyd. splitter.

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El Toro

01-28-2008 16:53:12




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-28-2008 16:38:26  
You should build your own splitter. Here's the one I made in 1982. Here's the hydraulic sketch for plumbing it too. Hal

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Billy NY

01-29-2008 08:08:25




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to El Toro, 01-28-2008 16:53:12  
That is the basic design of one, in a simple one line diagram, thanks for posting that and I will agree that a hydraulic splitter takes some of the work out of it. You still have to do a lot of handling. I remember the one someone made here with the ingenius little platform to lift the log to the splitting deck. Maybe with some thought I might come up with a way to set one up to do that, or use high ground on one side, just roll the logs to the deck, then would be real nice to be able to drop them down into a truck or something.

Got to love the pinto in that photo !

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El Toro

01-30-2008 16:35:47




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 Re: Favorite Wood Splitting Tools - what's your favorite in reply to Billy NY, 01-29-2008 08:08:25  
That's not a Pinto. Its a cousin to the Pinto called the Mercury Bobcat. Ralph Nader put the bad mouth out on these cars. I made a ramp so I could roll the heavy pieces up on the splitter.
Hal



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