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max

08-06-2001 14:17:40




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I've had only marginal succes sweating 3/4" and 1" copper pipe. Are any of those compression couplers and tees any good? I've seen plastic, brass with brass ferrule, and brass with rubber o-ring for the seal and a clamping ring for strength.




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Rich

08-25-2001 18:57:15




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 Re: sweating pipe in reply to max, 08-06-2001 14:17:40  
Max,

Follow the advice on the cleaning of fittings and pipe. They must be shiny. If your fittings are old pitch them get some new ones and store the extras on a ziplock bag to prevent corrosion. The next tip is to use Mapp gas. It is the yellow cylinder and it requires a torch made for mapp gas as it burns hotter than the stuff in the blue cylinder. Use plenty of flux and I wipe down the finished joint with some steel wool(stored in another ziplock bag). Put the fitting on the pipe and heat the place to be joined all around. this requires moving the torch around the joint and fitting. Watch for the copper to take on a dull appearance, as this happens hold the torch on the opposite side of where you place the tip of your solder. I like to use a thicker solder on a roll, as the roll of solder that came with the Mapp gas kit was thin and hard for me to work with. The solder should be drawn into the joint. Move the solder around the joint keeping the torch opposite it and the solder should go right in. Also reccommended is the anti burn pad to keep from ccatching surrounding areas on fire. Most important is to have a charged and functional fire extinguisher on hand as you are working with an open flame. Pratice makes better so you must keep at it to be good. I realise that the mapp gas and other things mentioned here cost a little more but what is frustration worth to you. There comes a point of diminishing returns.

Rich

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Tinker - With Couple Of Tips

08-08-2001 19:00:33




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 Re: sweating pipe in reply to max, 08-06-2001 14:17:40  
When sweating copper pipe, always wipe the joint with a damp rag when finished. It isn't just for a professional look. Leaving flux residue on a joint will cause it to corrode.

A plumber's trick for sweating pipe with some water in the lines. Go ahead and clean the joints thoroughly, and get everything ready for soldering. Then, stuff plain white bread into the pipe. The bread will act as a sponge, and soak up the water. Work quickly and wipe the joint dry, spread flux, and solder it. If you are quick, the bread will soak up the water long enough for you to solder the joint. The bread will dissolve, and not stop up your pipes.

As others have already said, the main secret to soldering is that the surfaces have to be CLEAN! If it isn't clean, the solder WILL NOT stick.

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BlueLite

08-07-2001 03:53:12




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 Re: sweating pipe in reply to max, 08-06-2001 14:17:40  
A word of caution in soldering with lead. Ensure excess solder doesn't drip down onto the water contact surfaces, like on the center of a "T" joint. On it's own one joint that is made this way
will not have too much a risk of lead poisoning,
but a whole house done this way is dangerous. Like the others on this post recommended use
the no lead or low lead solders.



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MarkB

08-07-2001 03:38:33




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 Re: sweating pipe in reply to max, 08-06-2001 14:17:40  
The only time I've had problems sweating copper is when there is water in the line. Even a little water dripping into the joint will make it impossible to sweat.

The trick is to use two torches: Put on on the joint and use the other one to heat the pipe uphill from the joint. I usually heat the pipe about one foot from the joint, if there's enough room.

If you only have one torch, first heat the pipe uphill from the joint, then solder the joint. The water should boil before it makes it to the joint.

For really tough jobs, I've got a "C" torch tip made by Smith Equipment that heats completely around the joint. I haven't run into a case where I've had to use it, though.

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Joe Evans

08-06-2001 20:09:58




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 Re: sweating pipe in reply to max, 08-06-2001 14:17:40  
Max: sweating copper joint is almost mistake-proof if you follow these directions. First, the pipe and fitting have to be cleaned. Do not rely on the solder paste flux to do this for you. Manually polish the end of the pipe and the sockets of the copper fitting using sand paper or "plumbers' cloth" (1-1/2" to 2" wide sand paper in rolls) to clean the pipe end and a fitting brush (a round, twisted wire brush specifically made for the fitting diameter)to clean the fitting. If the fitting is of a large diameter, say 1" and up, you can get the sand cloth in the fitting socket with your finger. Sand until pipe and fitting is shiny. Second, dope both the pipe end and fitting with solder paste flux. Third, assemble the pipe into the fitting and heat the fitting. The heat will tranfer very quickly to the pipe. Heat the fitting enough so that when the solder is contacted to the joint, the heat from the fitting melts the solder. Do not melt the solder with your torch. The melting solder will pull into the fitting socket almost instantly and will suck around to all the surfaces. This will work on vertical work,too, where the solder has to go up into the fitting socket. Use a good no-lead solder such as Silva-Brite 100. Wipe your joints with a rag when the solder is still hot for a pro-looking job. Wear safety glasses. The trick is to CLEAN THE SURFACES!

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Brian G. NY

08-07-2001 08:25:27




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 Re: Re: sweating pipe in reply to Joe Evans, 08-06-2001 20:09:58  
I'm not a plumber but I do, on occasion have to do some plumbing work. I always do things exactly the way Joe explained and I have never had any problems. After I bought the round brushes and the plumber's sandpaper, it's a snap and wiping the joint does make it look professional, as does keeping the lines running in a straight line. I enjoy plumbing and electrical work (it's very satisfying) but I readily admit I'm not fast enuf to make a living at it. I admire a professional's work. The guy who did the plumbing in my house made long sweeping bends in the copper pipe where he could; never saw it done before, but it makes for a very neat job!

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Neil

08-06-2001 14:26:14




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 Re: sweating pipe in reply to max, 08-06-2001 14:17:40  
I don't think compression fittings ate allowed in non-exposed work.
I would review a guide on slodering pipe, as I had relitivly little troble sweating 1" and 3/4" pipe when I plummed my house, and I am no expert.
Once I got the hang of cleaning the pipe well, and making sure it was hot enough, everything went well. I also found the "Tinning Flux" that has solder in it helped a bit.



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mac

08-06-2001 14:26:12




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 Re: sweating pipe in reply to max, 08-06-2001 14:17:40  
a-side from sweating copper, the brass fittings with brass ferrules are OK, more expensive however. I have used them where it is impossible to sweat. Again, depends on application.



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