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circus

01-23-2008 19:45:40




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I'm tired of dead batteries
Seems I'm constantly replacing seldom used starter batteries. Just wont hold much of a charge after siting. Do pulse desulphators work or just another scam?




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Kentb of SWMO

01-25-2008 05:56:49




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
I do not know what brand of battery's you use BUT I am using ONLY AutoZone Duralast. Last January here in Southwest Missouri we had a Ice Storm with poser outages ranging from six to twelve days. We had somewhat of a warning that we might have this the preciding Dec. The Fire. Deptment I respond with has a 10 KW Military Genset which I HAD NOT been running as much as I should have been because of the cost of fuel. It had been TWO year since I had run this unit. I figured the batterys were TOAST. When I went to get it running that Dec. I checked the panel light which barely burn. I removed both battery, 24 volt system, to charge them at the shop. I connected my OLD 6 amp Sears Battery charger and hardly got a charge indication. I charged both batterys for 24 hour and they can up to voltage. I reinstalled the batterys and started the generator. This generator was used for about 80 hours to run a fuel station during the ice strom never failing to start the engine. The batterys are STILL in this generators a year later. I have been running the unit every six week now. The gut that owned the fuel station has become very attached to this unit. I do not knoew when we will need to replace the batteries. When we do DURALASS will be the ONLY thing used.

Kent

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Andy Motteberg

01-24-2008 20:10:19




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
When we have a dead battery, we buy a brand new one.



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Kestrel in CT

01-24-2008 14:27:35




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
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Last fall I hooked up this 30 watt solar panel to keep 2 deep cycle marine batteries and 1 starting battery topped off. So far, they've stayed at full charge.

These are easy to mount anywhere, just point it south.



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dave guest

01-24-2008 13:33:49




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
If you disconnect batt, and find later vehicle is running funny; do not despair, your computer(ECM) may have lost some memory but will return after running couple days or week.



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rockyhawaii

01-24-2008 08:27:07




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
I had a problem with the batteries in my tool truck, boat, forklift and tractor because they set unused for long periods. I bought some of those solar-powered trickle chargers and the problem seems to be solved.



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Jon Hagen

01-24-2008 07:46:57




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
I can't speak for other brands, but the battery MINDer charger/desulphator sold by Northern tool works well on seasonal use batteries that otherwise may be let set at less than full charge and will get some sulphation damage. The original 8 year old battery in my little used 2000 Dodge pickup (4-5000 miles per year). got to the point that it was not reliable starting as it would crank only about 10 seconds before giving up. It is a sealed battery so I can't check/add water. I wondered, is it dry or just so sulphated from 8 years of sitting in the garage for weeks/months with the steady drain of the pickups onboard computer and clock/radio memory. I had little to lose, so I put the BatteryMINDer desulphator/charger on it for two weeks and lucked out that it is back up to fullvnormal cranking power. If I keep the sulphation Knocked down, it may run another 8 years.

A battery disconnect switch like others mentioned, is a good idea on any little used piece of equipment to prevent draining the battery from slightly leaky electrical equipment,plus it reduces the chance of theft or electrical fires. I also am a big fan of the Spiral cell AGM batteries made by Optima and Exide Orbital because they Will not self discharge nearly as fast as a flooded cell battery, they emit no corrosive acid that can corrode your battery terminals or battery box on a nicely restored machine and they are much more tolerant of deep cycling and sulphation in conditions where you may not keep them fully charged. My oldest Optima spiral cell AGM battery has seen 16 years of abuse and is still going strong. If you do go with a Spiral cell AGM battery, make sure you get the cranking/lighting/ignition battery, in an Optima that would be a "red top". In an exide Orbital(1/3 less cost than an Optima) you want the black "select" battery. For a starting application you want the CLI battery, not a deep cycle or marine type.

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RegoR

01-24-2008 06:45:35




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
JD,

Now that's a comprehensive report!

You keep all that in your head? ;-)

Roger



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jdemaris

01-24-2008 06:07:11




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
Seems you must have a drain on those batteries - nobody's luck can be that bad with bad batteries.

If someone tells you that you need some sort of "high tech" gel battery, AGM, etc. - don't believe it. They have their advantages and disadvantages like anything else. The "low tech" flooded lead-acid batteries are very tolerant to abuse and many last a very long time.

I've got four diesel trucks, and eight tractors, crawlers, and backhoes that all sit, all winter. If we get a warm-up I start them up for 10 minutes - so maybe they get run twice all winter. Batteries are not disconnected, no float charger used, etc. I've had no problems and all my batteries are conventional lead-acid batteries. Some NAPA (Deka and Exide), some Walmart (Johnson Controls), some Delco, and some Sears Diehard. Out of the whole bunch - I only unhook one Chevy diesel Suburban because it has an analog clock that draws current all the time.

I just changed the battery in my IH tractor that only gets used in the summer. I put it in new 1/31/99 and it just crapped out 1/23/08. So, that's 9 years. It sits all winter, every winter without being started. It was just a conventional NAPA lead-acid battery #7235, group 31P, 1125 CCA - and I do nothing to it all winter - I don't unhook it, no float charger, nothing. I just put in another and it cost $92.

My 92 Dodge truck with the Cummins 5.9 has the same NAPA #7235 battery that is now 7 years old and it too sits all winter with the plates off.

My Deere 1010 crawler (gas engine) has a Walmart battery - cost $39 and is now 7 years old. It too sits all winter without being used.

My Case VAC has a 6 volt battery that is now 10 years old and still holds a charge.

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GeneMO

01-24-2008 13:21:06




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to jdemaris, 01-24-2008 06:07:11  
Now the way my luck runs, if I was braggin on all my batteries like you are,, they would all go dead at the same time this weekend. That's the way my luck goes.

Hope your luck is better.


Gene



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gary tomaszewski

01-24-2008 07:26:01




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to jdemaris, 01-24-2008 06:07:11  
jd, That is a pretty complete report on a lot of batteries, my luck has been pretty much the same. BUT I found it a lot more convenient to pull the clock fuse, then no tools needed.



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jdemaris

01-24-2008 07:30:50




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to gary tomaszewski, 01-24-2008 07:26:01  
Your correct, but that often results in a problem in my Chevy. Maybe my mental problem. When I pull the clock fuse the horn also gets disconnected. Spring comes, I put the truck back on the road, and I forget. Just one of those dumb things - but one year I failed motor-vehicle inspection because the fuse was pulled and horn didn't work.



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El Toro

01-24-2008 04:35:06




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
A battery needs to be used to extends its life. I have 3 batteries from Walmart and all of them are over 6 years old. I would do as WW suggested
installing a master switch to prevent battery drainage. It will keep someone else from starting your tractor and trying to steal it since the battery is isolated from ground. The military has used them for years on their vehicles. Walmart's best batteries have a 3 year free replacement warranty too. Hal

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ww

01-24-2008 03:51:07




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
I put a master switch on all my seldom run tractors it did the trick for me.



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Arnie

01-23-2008 21:39:42




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
I am trying one of those Battery Tenders plus and they have a 10 year warrenty just clip it on and forget it as it has some of this new techonilgy or some sort of a chip that will not over charge your batteries



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T_Bone

01-23-2008 21:33:21




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
Hi Circus,

Optima (red, blue or yellow top), you may have to jump it but it will stay good after many dead cycles.

My son got 9yrs out of his red top Optima and it was still strong when he sold the pick-up.

My yellow top on my IH706D sits for 6mths without needing jumped and still runs the glow plugs to start.

AZ summers is just about as hard on battery's as you can get, more than what cold weather is.

T_Bone

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coloken

01-23-2008 20:44:07




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
You might try pulling off one of the battery cables when not in use. Works great on old tractors, but I don't know on modern cars/trucks.



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Russell in Tex

01-23-2008 20:01:44




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 Re: I'm tired of dead batteries in reply to circus, 01-23-2008 19:45:40  
Just want you to know you are not alone out
there. Have the same problem on equipment that is seldom used. Don't know if those desulphanators work. Thought of trying one.
I try to crank up stuff at least every two
weeks, but that is hard to do. Also, if it is going to be below 32 degrees, I check the voltage on my batteries to see if any are low.
If they are low are dead the freezing temps
usually ruin the battery. Also, try to watch
for slow drains in electrical system. I had a
one wire Delco alternator that worked great, but
it would run battery down in a weeks time if it
was not started.

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