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OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s)

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Billy NY

01-22-2008 14:27:08




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Well the answer might be obvious, I bought new smoke pipe for this oval shaped stand alone wood stove, vertical run is 2'-0" , horizontal run is the same lenght + or - before it connects through the concrete wall. Does the damper have to be in the vertical section, ( that's where it is in the old pipe) or can you install it in the horizontal section, closer to the concrete wall ?

Reason I ask is I thought I read similar post here recently that mentioned you might get some benefit from the smoke pipe damper further away, by gaining some heat from the pipe ? Probably nominal heat gains though.

I'm inclined to leave it where it was in the old one, on the vertical, that's what worked before anyway, but was just curious what opinions were on that.

I might be better off left as is, if the pipe will be cooler after the damper as the 2'-0" horizontal section is about 18" below the floor joists above, and they are heat shielded above the pipe, I don't plan on stoking it up chock full of wood and a real hot fire anyway.

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tractormarkb

01-25-2008 05:49:20




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 Re: OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s) in reply to Billy NY, 01-22-2008 14:27:08  
I can understand wanting the benifit of getting the most heat from your woodstove and pipe by keeping the heat inside your house for as long as possible. Cooling down your chimney especially with a fan is asking for cresote. I have a Jutol Woodstove that has the damper built directly into the back of the stove where the chimney pipe goes out. It comes in handy during chimney fires. After a chimney fire I get a pile of soot buildup in my elbow in the wall and the chimney pipe leaks smoke terribly. I would think that putting the Damper out farther in the pipe wouold cause smoke leakage when the damper is closed, this is no fun!

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Bill in NorthCentral PA

01-22-2008 18:48:08




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 Re: OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s) in reply to Billy NY, 01-22-2008 14:27:08  
I've always put them in the vertical pipe so that any creosote that develops on the damper itself will fall back into the firebox. I know, dry wood and all of that, but it still happens a little bit, and I'd rather limit my exposure.

Bill



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dave guest

01-22-2008 17:35:54




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 Re: OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s) in reply to Billy NY, 01-22-2008 14:27:08  
Allus saw vertical since little kid. 64 year old kid now.



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dave guest

01-22-2008 17:35:42




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 Re: OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s) in reply to Billy NY, 01-22-2008 14:27:08  
Allus saw vertical since little kid. 64 year old kid now.



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NTP

01-22-2008 14:58:20




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 Re: OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s) in reply to Billy NY, 01-22-2008 14:27:08  
I had a new high effeciency gas furnace installed, and at the same time I had the installer put a wood furnace into the system. He put the damper in the horizontal section of pipe and it has worked well. One thing I did do was to put a small fan about a foot away from the vertical smoke pipe to help throw off more of the wasted heat that normally would have gone up the chimeny. You would be surprised at the amount of heat that is thrown off the smoke pipe. My basement is as warm as the upstairs living area. You may want to consider this as a way to reclaim some of the normally wasted heat.

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RobMD

01-22-2008 14:53:21




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 Re: OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s) in reply to Billy NY, 01-22-2008 14:27:08  
Actually, I am going to recommend that you keep the damper closest to the stove for one logical reason:

You do NOT want the chimney getting any hotter than it already is. I understand that the chimney must heat up a bit to create a nice draft, but you don't need that damper too far at the end of the pipe.

By keeping the damper near the stove, you are keeping the chimney from taking on close to core stove temperatures. By stalling the air & smoke travel, the pipes will be a little cooler at the chimney entrance.

I see no real advantage to having hot pipes; in fact, chimney fires are just a little bit more likely to occur as the hot air is kept closer to the chimney.

This is not really a HUGE deal, i'm just saying that it would be just a little bit better if you keep the damper close to the stove.

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Billy NY

01-23-2008 04:27:49




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 Re: OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s) in reply to RobMD, 01-22-2008 14:53:21  
I agree, good advice, I think I'll locate it in the same spot it was in the old pipe for the reasons mentioned, just as well to keep short that horizontal run a little cooler anyway, being that it's 18" from the ceiling.



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2t2@ia

01-22-2008 14:42:07




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 Re: OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s) in reply to Billy NY, 01-22-2008 14:27:08  
Hi: I do not have a definite answer. However, I grew up with that sort of stove, and as I remember it, the dampers were in the verticle section. So far as heat coming off the stove pipe, I can remember some small town depots that had maybe 5 or more feet of verticle pipe and sometimes 10 feet or more of horizontal pipe in the waiting rooms. I always assumed that it was to give off heat and help heat the room.

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36 coupe

01-24-2008 02:59:37




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 Re: OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s) in reply to 2t2@ia, 01-22-2008 14:42:07  
If you cool the smoke too much you will have more creosote build up in the chimney.Covering the chimney will make it run dirty.Outside chimneys will give much trouble, even freezing up with thermostats on stoves.A friend who cleaned chimneys for a living said themostatic wood stoves made plenty of money for him.



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36 coupe

01-22-2008 17:00:07




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 Re: OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s) in reply to 2t2@ia, 01-22-2008 14:42:07  
The damper will come in real handy in shutting down a chimney fire.This old man has spent 70 years with wood heat and he knows a bit more about the subject than a bunch of puppies.



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RobMD

01-23-2008 09:04:39




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 Re: OT Stove Pipe Damper Location(s) in reply to 36 coupe, 01-22-2008 17:00:07  
Yup, i'm one of those puppies. However, i've learned EVERYTHING from my 94 year old grandfather who has the additional 20 years more than you. :)



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