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Voltage drop on long electric lines...?

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Chris in MO

01-20-2008 19:58:09




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I am building a shop about 150' away from the house. The power coming into the house is about 125' on the opposite side of the house. I was thinking of running electric to the shop from the house, perhaps a couple of 20A circuits. Sometime in the distant future I would like to add a separate electric service closer to the shop.
How much would the voltage drop on such a long run and what impact would that have on tools with motors (ie table/circular saw, drills, air compressor, freezer). What size wire should I use or perhaps should I just bite the bullet and have the electric company run another pole and add an additional electric service?
Any ideas about how to handle this?

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Noah W

01-22-2008 14:55:48




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 Re: Voltage drop on long electric lines...? in reply to Chris in MO, 01-20-2008 19:58:09  
Try this.

Voltage Drop Calculator



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Bus Driver

01-22-2008 05:22:41




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 Re: Voltage drop on long electric lines...? in reply to Chris in MO, 01-20-2008 19:58:09  
If your power the shop from the house, use 120/240, not just 120 volts. And power everything possible from 240 volts. Some shop tools have dual voltage capability. A system that would have a 10 volt drop powering a large motor at 120 volts would power the same motor at 240 volts with only 2 1/2 volts drop.



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Gerald J.

01-21-2008 08:32:13




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 Re: Voltage drop on long electric lines...? in reply to Chris in MO, 01-20-2008 19:58:09  
If you wire for a 20 amp circuit at 150 feet long, motor starts will take forever. I tried that at the opposite end of a 40 x 60 machine shed with #12. Radial arm saw took 8 or 10 seconds to get up to speed and had no guts. Then I wanted to start a shop vac with it. Its now running with about 80 feet of #6 to a sub box and the cord to the saw table iss #10 wired with a relay so the saw and the shop vac aren't on the same phase (both 120 volt loads). NOW it works good.

Run that 100 amp tap off the house box, then you will have useful service in the shop. Remember an induction motor takes 5 to 6 times running current for starting.

Gerald J.

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greygoat

01-21-2008 07:54:41




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 Re: Voltage drop on long electric lines...? in reply to Chris in MO, 01-20-2008 19:58:09  
In my area of Wisconsin the Rural Electric Coop
charges a faculity charge on the meter, for
everyone. That way they recover their cost of
hooking up power to cottages/trailers along the
mississippi river for people from Chicago who
only use their places for 3 months in the summer.
However, all the rest of us suffer in paying that
charge, which is $35. If the power provider here
put in service to your building, and another meter
then it's another $35--even if you don't use the
power much.

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old

01-20-2008 20:48:52




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 Re: Voltage drop on long electric lines...? in reply to Chris in MO, 01-20-2008 19:58:09  
You might be able to get by with 10-2 with ground BUT that would only be for 110 and you will not like it since the line loss will be bad but not ad enough that you could run most stuff. As I say do it right or not at all. Not matter what the task do it right or not a all. In the long run your better to run a 100 or even 200 amp service to your shop now because in the long run it will save you $$ since in 2 years it could well cost you twice what it will today

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paul

01-20-2008 20:14:34




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 Re: Voltage drop on long electric lines...? in reply to Chris in MO, 01-20-2008 19:58:09  
Do it right the 1st time. Don't try to get by with a 20 or 40 amp line. You said shop, you want lights and electric motors, you want power.

What is available at your house? 100 amp, 200 amp? Where is your transformer/meter, on the house?

You should be able to pull 60 or 100 amps real easy from a 200 amp service, you will need probably 2 sizes bigger than 'normal' wire for that distance - but look up any of the voltage drop calculators on the web or in an electric book. If you size the wire right you won't have over 3% voltage drop on the service, plus some drop in the shop so you will keep it under 5%.

Probably a good idea to involve a pro to get the service set up, kinda major to get the ground & nuetral right as you will be using 4 wires to get there, and so on. For that distance aluminum wire will be cheaper even tho it will be much fatter; you need to use the right grease & connectors or the al will spark & loosen. You want an equal load on both legs, so you don't get dimming/ twitching lights in the house, etc. Pro can figure that out, get it all done once, and you can enjoy using your shop safely & for a long time.

--->Paul

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