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Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ?

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Billy NY

01-17-2008 14:55:38




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Well, as the title above goes, figured I'd finally fire up the woodstove in the cellar again, don't think it's been used since the late 70's-mid 80's. This chimney has it's own clay/brick type flue maybe 8"x12", the ones for our fire places are like 24" x 24" huge, they never get dirty, neither was this one, there was some creosote towards the bottom.

I remember the house being built when I was much younger, not sure what happened with this flue, but it's crooked, it has a bend in it, towards the bottom, before it turns 90 degrees inwards towards the sleeve in the foundation, so you can't see to the bottom from the top, like the fireplaces which are so nice with over sized flues.

From the inside at the cellar, it also has a bend in it, so it's hard to see to the 90 degree turn to the top, but I did get a work light in there and could see the 90 degree turn up.

I'm not sure what could be in there, and I think it's not that far from the 90 degree turn at the bottom, (figures it's the hardest place to reach from both directions !) and aside from trying to understand why they installed 1/2 of the flue at an angle so you can't see anything below the bend, it would have been fine if they just came up straight, it's like they did it in spite, were drunk or there was a major problem that I just don't see.

I'm wondering what kind of tool might be good to break up the blockage. No idea what it could be, probably spalled pieces of flue tile, creosote, and I hope nothing else in there like bricks or anything, there were some decorative pieces on top of the chimney that are now loose, earthquake in '02 rattled a piece off one corner, so it's hard to say for sure, but it can't be like someone poured mortar or concrete in there.

Dropped a light as far as it would go, and could not see light from the other side, pushed a light in and up at the 90 upward in the cellar, no light seen from the top, and does not seem to have any draft when you put smoke in the foundation sleeve a the bottom, sealed up nicely it seems.

At the time I'm writing this, I remember having some 1" galvanized well pipe in my material yard, and I think I may have enough room and bend in the pipe to get it down there, the heavy chain with a large hook did nothing even with a few feet of free fall,(that is a work out !) I might have to clean some galvanized coating off and weld 2 sections together, any suggestions for the end, leave it open as is or I could weld something on it. Looking for ideas, figured I'd have been done already with a nice fire going LOL !

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IH2444

01-18-2008 13:00:12




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-17-2008 14:55:38  
does it have a screen type cap on it ? If not probably bird nest.



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Billy NY

01-18-2008 13:17:10




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to IH2444, 01-18-2008 13:00:12  
No cap on it, open ended, I'm still thinking it's something that can be broken up, problem is getting to the blockage, from the top is the only way.



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CH(upstate,NY)

01-18-2008 09:25:53




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-17-2008 14:55:38  
Red Squirrels. Found one in my wood burning cook stove under the oven part. There's a cleanout plate so you can clean out around the oven. One dried up red squirrel. Three weeks after I started it the wife said she smelled something. Took the plate off and there was a fully cooked red squirrel. The stupid things came down a masonary chimney to a tee half way down, through a 3 wall 10' at a 45 degree angle, 90 degree elbow through the thimble into the stove pipe, over another 90 down into the stove. The second one came in while the stove was going, it never goes out.

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TomTex

01-18-2008 05:41:49




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-17-2008 14:55:38  
Before you invest any more labor in this thing, why not call a local chimmney sweeper. Ask him to clean and inspect. He will probably just charge you for a normal cleaning, and can either fix it or tell you exactly what the problem is. Sometimes it is cheaper get help, than use up all you available labor time on a problem. Tom



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Billy NY

01-18-2008 13:25:35




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to TomTex, 01-18-2008 05:41:49  
There was a saying and or old time quote that agrees with sometimes it's better to pay someone knowlegable or properly equipped, and I was always one to hire it done in that situation, as I agree with that philosophy, but the flue tile is clean, no cleaning or brushing needed as most of it has a shine to it, it has not been used in 25 years, but something is hung up in it, where I can't see it, soot and creosote fell off from where it was once was. Either there is another bend in the darned thing, or something solid is caught, I'm thinking I can get the pipe in there, if not I will have to rig up some kind of a camera to see from the bottom side. No time to deal with it today at all unfortunately, when it rains it pours !

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The Bachelor

01-18-2008 05:13:44




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-17-2008 14:55:38  
I'm a logging chain fan. Thats all I use to clean out our chimney and it has 90 degree bends in it to. Plus you can probably hear and feel what your dealing with when you drop it down.



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GaryMA

01-18-2008 04:56:05




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-17-2008 14:55:38  
I"ve used a large sledge hammer head (handle removed) tied to a 1/2 inch nylon rope. Put the rope through the hole and tie it over one striking face, might need a add a piece of tie wire. This keeps the head vertical for a good hit on creosote or debris.

-Yukon Husky Wood furnace, 8X8 Flue....20 Yrs.

Gary from Massachusetts



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Billy NY

01-18-2008 13:33:16




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to GaryMA, 01-18-2008 04:56:05  
Good suggestion, might determine if I can even make contact with the blockage, or what else may have gone wrong, they used stove pipe to the upward 90 from what I can see, not sure from there, but after a good rattling, only thing at the bottom was what I disturbed when shoving the work light over to the 90 deg turn up to the flue, which is encased in mortar, can't rule out the freeze thaw cycle from having spalled some thing out from the side or who knows if what happened when it was built, what a joke, it's useless to build a chimney that is not straight, can't inspect it for sh$t if it's crooked like this one.

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36 coupe

01-18-2008 14:55:17




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-18-2008 13:33:16  
Its common on old fire place chimneys to have an angled flue so all the flues come out the center of the roof.Ive seen some small tv cameras for 50.00.But it always helps to have someone who knows what they are doing fix a problem.



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Billy NY

01-18-2008 18:33:20




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to 36 coupe, 01-18-2008 14:55:17  
I can see that being the case where there is no other choice, but this chimney is a rather large stand alone structure, built against a wall on one end of the house on a concrete block foundation, against the poured concrete foundation wall. Hard to figure went wrong, fire place flue is straight, but this smaller one next to it is not, there is one obvious bend and who knows what close to where the stove pipe ends and the flue begins, which you can't see. If the pipe don't work, will have to get a camera in there.

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ww

01-18-2008 04:33:05




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-17-2008 14:55:38  
take your cell phone with you to the top of the chimney soak a rag in fuel oil, call the fire department, report a chimney fire, lite the rag and drop it. they won't leave till they get it open. just a little friday humor. have a nice day



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Mattlt

01-18-2008 05:52:39




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to ww, 01-18-2008 04:33:05  
Just make sure to wait until about midnight on a really cold, windy night. The FD will like you that much more.

Funny, we've never had a chimney fire call on a warm day.



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Billy NY

01-18-2008 18:45:31




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Mattlt, 01-18-2008 05:52:39  
I'd hate to do that to these guys, we still have volunteer fire dept./corps, great bunch of people, many of my neighbors were or are still in the dept./corps, one just found and handed me a report for a small, smoldering fire from a heat lamp to keep water flowing for the horses in 1982 that could have destroyed our old farmhouse and could have dominoe'd effect lit up several houses to the east if it ever caught, was a big victorian home, circa 1919, all wood, kind of strange to read some of the names, because they are now deceased, no way could I ever do something like that, and tie them up, bad enough when a storm downs a power line and these guys stand for 12 hours until the power company shows up now, not like it used to be when they'd be right there with a crew.

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Goose

01-17-2008 21:17:53




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-17-2008 14:55:38  
Just don't do like a Darwin Award winner I read about who tried to add weight to a flue brush by arc welding a live hand grenade to it.

At least he's not in the gene pool anymore.



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Dave Sherburne NY

01-17-2008 17:32:11




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-17-2008 14:55:38  
Use the mirror to reflect sunlight down the chimney
much brighter light. Maybe the last guy to clean it
used the goose method and the goose is still in there



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1936

01-17-2008 15:43:34




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-17-2008 14:55:38  
The last one I was up on the roof for I used a log chain on a long rope and droped it down and fixed the problem for years. OH hang on to the rope. Your post went into overtime so only read the first 1/3. Learned years ago the big boss never read the second page of anything written. Cost my boss most of his budget for one year due to page two.



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Billy NY

01-17-2008 15:54:16




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to 1936, 01-17-2008 15:43:34  
Funny but true, errr uh, get to the point already. There's a lot of people in this world that could care less about the details, just the bottom line, most of them are bosses. My problem here is I think too much and type too fast !



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Stan in Oly, WA

01-17-2008 15:30:57




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-17-2008 14:55:38  
Hi Billy,

Before you can figure out the best tool and method to get the flue unblocked, you're really going to have to find out what's blocking it. I'd put some creative effort into solving that problem.

You lowered a light as far down as you were able and couldn't see light from the bottom, and vice versa. Did you also look down the chimney when you lowered the light? Putting some kind of shroud over the bulb so it wouldn't shine in your eyes might help---even aluminum foil or cardboard would be enough. If you have some low powered optics that will focus that close, like opera glasses (yeah, right) or a rifle scope, or a camera, you might be able to get a better look at whatever the light reveals.

From the basement side you might have some luck with a hand mirror secured to something rigid so that you can get it up close to the bottom of the blockage. A light on the far side of the mirror might help, too.

Let us know what you find. It's definitely got my curiosity aroused.

All the best, Stan

P.S. You know that if you'd done this in the summer the flue would have been clear, don't you?

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Billy NY

01-17-2008 16:04:10




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 01-17-2008 15:30:57  
Also true the formula for chimney's are as follows:

Winter = Blocked

Summer = Clear


I've got a few mirrors to try, will be fun trying to read them though. Pictures would help here, I'd take a photo if I could just press the darned button, cameras are also a good way to get a view at hard to reach places.

Both lights were shop type automotive with shields and guards, I orientated them so the light was effective, was hoping for a glimmer of something after hammering away with the chain, definitely a no go on that.

I'll be back on it tomorrow, ought to be interesting, have no idea what it is, sure ain't budging !

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Ryan - WI

01-17-2008 15:17:57




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Billy NY, 01-17-2008 14:55:38  
Depending on the environment of the stove you might be able to use a power washer. It would make a helluva mess though.

Have you used mirrors in conjunction with the light from below to look up it?



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Bill NY

01-17-2008 15:34:19




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 Re: Chimney Blockage - clearing tools ? in reply to Ryan - WI, 01-17-2008 15:17:57  
I like using mirrors anywhere possible, the problem here is I'll need binoculars to look at them after they're in place, it's in such a nice spot, either direction, due to the distance hard to say if you'll be able to see clearly or orientate them to see anything, the bottom 90 degree turn up is probably 4' to 5' from the face of wall where the stove pipe connects, also at an angle before it turns up, sure would be nice to see what I'm dealing with. Would be so much easier if it was plumb and straight, always do a good layout when doing masonry. After thinking about it, the chain was not rigid enough, hope I can get the 1" pipe in there, at least I can feel my way through.

Power wash might work, I could catch the water, there's a floor drain nearby, but I'm thinking something more mechanical is needed, I'd have to somehow get the tip down in there close to the blockage, this is one of those things, different tool, little more elbow grease and hearing from others who had a similar experience.

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