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Ellis band saws?

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Puddles

01-14-2008 10:43:46




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Does anybody here have any experience with the Ellis brand saws? I�m starting to shop for a new saw, heard of Ellis, but never seen one. According to their web site Ellis does not offer a cooling, (Liquid coolant) system. One thing that really set me back; is in their Q/A / Support tab, they do not recommend ever using liquid coolant with their saws!
They also recommend you never have more than 24-teeth in the cut, and never less than 3. I�m interested in either the 1600, or 1800 saws. The 1600 will cut up to 11-inch flat at 90�, and the 1800 will cut up to 14-inch at a 90� cut. I can�t say I�ve ever seen a saw this size not use coolant, any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

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JoeK(WI)

01-15-2008 09:18:31




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 Re: Ellis band saws? in reply to Puddles, 01-14-2008 10:43:46  
Friend has an Ellis 11" and it is a very nice saw.One thing to keep in mind is that such saws operate a relatively low blade speeds and in most common materials the limited heat generated is dissipated by radiation and sinked out by the drivewheels.Any coolant liquid whether water or oil based would carry debris/chips throughout the bladepath and also reduce bladewheel friction,possibly causing blade slippage.Only"accessories" I ever seen on such a saw were an air jet or a small freewheeling wirewheel,both for helping clear chips from the blade when cutting non-ferrous metals like aluminum or brass.

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RickL

01-15-2008 05:28:56




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 Re: Ellis band saws? in reply to Puddles, 01-14-2008 10:43:46  
I have had one of ther units since early 90's bought new at bankruptcy auction. One word. Simply love it. Cuts angles straights etc, in fact it was also used last year to cut all of the molding on my remodel house project. The blade I run is 1" vari-tooth. Run about $40.00 dollars a blade and as long as I don't do something stupid I average always about two years out of a blade with not much difficulty. The must learn factors of this saw is ALWAYS MAKE SURE THE ITEM YOU CUTTING IS FIRMLY LOCKED BEFORE YOU TOUCH IT WITH THE BLADE!!!!! ! Also when cutting steel if possible alwasy have the seam at the top side of cut not at the bottom. Course these rules apply to any bandsaw. To date we cut lumber steel plastic alimunum etc. PS I always get the blades direct from them also. tried other companys blade when first got,nothing last like there own. If you close come look and use it.

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NcNE

01-14-2008 17:27:43




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 Re: Ellis band saws? in reply to Puddles, 01-14-2008 10:43:46  
When I was in welding school we had an ellis saw in the shop that did a bunch of cutting. We a variety of sizes, shapes and angles without much trouble. As far as coolant goes, I've ruined blades even with coolant cutting 1"x6" hot rolled. Dont get me wrong, coolant helps but there are a lot of other factors that can shorten blade life. Hope this helps.



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Cliff Neubauer

01-14-2008 15:14:58




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 Re: Ellis band saws? in reply to Puddles, 01-14-2008 10:43:46  
I bought a used Ellis 1600 last spring and I love it. I cut some 3x5x1/2" tubing with it last fall and even though it took about 10 minutes to make each cut I never noticed anything getting hot. The Ellis saws are pretty much the industry standard so I wouldn't making dry cuts scare me off from one.



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fixerupper

01-14-2008 10:59:44




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 Re: Ellis band saws? in reply to Puddles, 01-14-2008 10:43:46  
My neighbor has an Ellis that's about the size you're interested in. I don't know the exact size or model number. Bought it used maybe six or seven years ago and it's still going strong. To cut angles you rotate the saw while the table stays stationary, and it rotates real smooth and easy. If the new ones are like this one I wouldn't be afraid of it at all. Jim



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Puddles

01-14-2008 11:22:58




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 Re: Ellis band saws? in reply to fixerupper, 01-14-2008 10:59:44  
Thanks for the reply Jim! My first thought is blade life, (can�t be cheap) then without coolant, the blade clogging. Not talking about cutting aluminum, but on steel. Ellis offers an air cooling system, but for blowing the material out from the teeth when cutting soft materials like aluminum, copper, brass! No coolant just goes against everything I�ve seen.

Yes the rotating cutting head really has my attention!

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fixerupper

01-14-2008 13:52:34




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 Re: Ellis band saws? in reply to Puddles, 01-14-2008 11:22:58  
I've never used his saw to cut soft metals so I don't know how it handles that situation. It does have a little rotating brush that rubs on the blade right after the cut, so I assume it's there to clean the teeth. I do know he keeps several blades on hand and they are not cheap. He doesn't do production work or anything like that, but he does do a lot of metal work in his farm shop. Jim



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