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O/T Burned to the ground.......

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Goose

01-03-2008 10:15:54




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Last Sunday morning, in my home town, a two-year-old, two story building containing a large NAPA parts store and a twelve bay service facility burned to the ground. A few parts of the brick walls remain standing, the rest is burned out rubble. NOTHING was salvaged.

Preliminary indications are that it started in a central boiler room that heated the entire facility.

I got to thinking, if this new, state of the art facility could burn, how many farm shops are out there with owner-manufactured heating systems that are not subject to inspection and that are at risk? I, myself, have a 130,000 BTU propane furnace that does a good job, but it's old and inefficient. It should be a wake up call for everyone.

I also have one ABSOLUTELY unbreakable rule in my shop. As tempting as it may be to keep work moving, there is NO welding on a vehicle within an hour of closing up shop.

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Stumpalump

01-05-2008 07:38:27




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
For those that don't constantly fear fire.... Wake Up !!!!!



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Spook

01-05-2008 06:29:18




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
About 30 years ago, I was driving down 8 mile road in Detroit, on my way to work. About a 1/4 mile in front of me, I saw a cloud of dust and smoke blow across the road. As I went thru the area, I couldn't see what had caused the cloud of dust and smoke, and I was surprised that a bunch of cinder blocks were in the middle of the road, i had to drive around them. The next day, I found out that a small auto repair shop had been leveled and 2 guys killed when they were welding on a gas tank.

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Daniel Bear Kelley

01-05-2008 05:57:22




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 Mitubishi A6M in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
Many years ago, a friend of mine was working on the fuel tank of a genuine Mitsubishi A6M, also known as the Japanese Zero of WWII fame. There are only 4 or 5 in the world and only a couple left flying. You guessed it, the fuel tank ignited. Only quick thinking saved the airplane. They had the fire out in a matter of seconds. Still, my friend had burns all over his hands. He is a surgeon, so.... He recovered OK. I've got a big 10# ABC fire extinguisher in my shop. I designed my shop so that there are exists close by wherever you are.

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jd 530

01-04-2008 18:53:46




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
CHECK YOUR PROPANE LINES AND TANK. In western iowa last year a local rural seed dealer had his seed warehouse and office destroyed by a gas leak caused by a tank settling by frost going out of the ground.It tore the copper line that went through the wall and fed the office full.It made a steel framed building look like it wanted to be 6' bigger in every direction. It removed most of the steel off of the roof. It moved his house off it's foundation[ 90' north of building] Owner could not get out of bedroom door[ because house was tweaked] but could walk out his bay window [it was gone]. The real scary part of this story is that ALL this dammage was done by 2 100# cylinders. What could a 500 gallon tank do???

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crate78

01-04-2008 06:58:13




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
HuskerMedic, it is.



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fixerupper

01-04-2008 05:52:27




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
Rob mentioned the 'no junk' rule. This is very important especially in the furnace area. When my shop was new I used an old used LP gas furnace out of a house for heat. The gas line going to the pilot light broke sometime during the night and the thermalcouple did not shut it down. The escaping gas caught fire and there was about a five foot tall flame coming out of the furnace when I opened the shop door the next morning. I couldn't run fast enough ro shut the gas off. The furnace was away from the wall about four feet and there was nothing near it to catch fire, otherwise the shop would have been toast.That was close to thirty years ago and I haven't forgotten it yet.Jim

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HuskerMedic

01-04-2008 05:35:13




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
Auto repair shop burnt up in Seward, Nebraska last Sunday. Is this the same one?



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railhead

01-03-2008 18:35:35




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
Lots of replies have many many rules. I have 2 rules in my shop.

1. Common sense.

2. Noone that has no common sense allowed in my shop.



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Joe in MN.

01-04-2008 05:14:42




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to railhead, 01-03-2008 18:35:35  
Now that's some thing Really Hard to Find --- and getting Scarce every day...



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Yugrotcart

01-03-2008 14:30:58




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
A lot of guys still have fireplaces/furnaces sitting on the floor. That's a big no no.
Fuel vapours fall to the floor, furnace/fireplace ignite the fumes.

Paul



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RobMD

01-03-2008 12:29:52




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
Yeah, (hope this helps people) I do the following:

~All OILY + GREASY rags outside by the end of the day in a small metal waste can

~The wood stove must be 90% burned out before I go to the house

~All lights out and double check before leaving, no extension cords plugged in

~grinding, welding, and other spark-ridden stuff will have to be watched an hour or so after the fact

~my torch is isolated from everything

~paint thinners and other flammables are in one of those heavy heavy HEAVY metal cabinets

~all batteries inside the shop are disconnected while working on a vehicle

~air compressor is drained and turned off, especially in the summer

~fire extinguisher on the pole next to door

~GAS CANS NOT ALLOWED NEAR MY BUILDING

~keep shop floor clean and dust free if you can, use degreaser and stuff on the floor when i can afford it

~NO JUNK PILED UP

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Dusty MI

01-03-2008 11:27:11




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
I have a smoke detector in the shop that ties with one in the house.



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Turke Bros. Farms

01-03-2008 10:58:31




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Goose, 01-03-2008 10:15:54  
Yep! same rule. alway picking up thinner rags getting the outside, ect. How can you itemize everything you have on the walls in bins, tools, everything. I still find items i forgot about. My friend went through a fire, lost his 966 Cat loader, 2 Pick-ups and a Ford 4000, all his tools hoist, everything. Was a real mess, insurance paid him but he got the short end of the stick.



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135 Fan

01-03-2008 12:09:11




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 01-03-2008 10:58:31  
Best thing for insurance is pictures. Dave



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P J M

01-03-2008 17:49:36




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to 135 Fan, 01-03-2008 12:09:11  
If you have good access to fire wood the out side wood heating furnace is great and by code you must be a good distance from the building for fire protection. You have the choice of hot air or running hot water thru line in the floor. I sure like the 3ft. logs that they can take



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Ken Macfarlane

01-04-2008 07:17:18




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 Re: O/T Burned to the ground....... in reply to P J M, 01-03-2008 17:49:36  
Don't park vehicles/equipment under repair in the shop unless the battery is disconnected. I can't think of how many shop fires caused by electrical faults in idle vehicles/equipment.



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