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BobOHIO

12-29-2007 13:49:56




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I worked on my truck today. Man is it cold outside. I charged battery today to full 12 volts. I put my ampmeter between neg battery post and ground cable and got nothing. Put a test light in the same spot and it did not light up either. It acts as if nothing is drawing power to drain the battery. With truck running showed 14.50 volts at the battery with digital voltmeter. I didn't look at the fuses because of the first test not showing a drain. I'm lost again. Any ideas. Thank you. Bob

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Tom43

12-30-2007 18:16:21




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 13:49:56  
Bob,
Thanks for reporting back. I'm glad you are up and running. It is always fun to solve a puzzle.



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x22

12-30-2007 16:51:46




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 13:49:56  
Your battery may have an internal short. If it charges fully and then discharges on its on then you should replace it.



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BobOHIO

12-29-2007 19:36:44




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 13:49:56  
Thanks everybody. I'll check the battery voltage while cranking tomorrow. I can get a hydrometer and test the cells. This Interstate battery has the caps on top and is not sealed kind. Everything works good, battery just goes dead like it has a drain on it. Thanks for all the help. BOb



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BobOHIO

12-30-2007 15:57:05




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 Re: Battery Bad in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 19:36:44  
Hello. Used a digital voltmeter this morning to check battery. Voltage read 12.10 volts and during cranking test dropped to 8.50 volts. Took the battery back to store and exchanged for a new one. Put it in the truck and put the voltmeter on it during startup. This battery only dropped to 11 volts during cranking then as it started quickly alternator jumped meter to 14.65. I never had a bad Interstate battery before. Always had good luck with them. I did ask the girl at the store if they sold many and she said no. Maybe the first one had sat on the shelf a long time? It has sat all day hooked up and I just checked voltage and was 12.70 so it does seem to confirm there is no drain. I'll keep an eye on it for a few days. Thanks to all who helped point me in the right direction. I appreciate it. Bob

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Tom43

12-29-2007 23:40:36




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 19:36:44  
Hydrometers only tell if a battery is bad. They don't tell if it is good. The cranking voltage procedure actually performance tests the battery.



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Charles (in GA)

12-29-2007 17:53:17




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 13:49:56  
I'm not sure what you are asking, or the problem, not sure which. 14.5v running is about normal. Does everything work? You really don't say if everything works or not. I wouldn't expect the battery to show any amount of current in or out while running, the alternator is carrying all of the load, but the battery should have shown some draw to charge up after the start. Remember, the truck will run just fine without the battery after you start it up. Remember the 1963 Chrysler ads for their new alternator? They took the battery out and drove the car from New York to Chicago.

The Delco is without a doubt the finest battery made. Delphi makes it, thats all I've used for years, they practically last forever. You can buy Delphi branded ones with the little green window, at O'Reilly Auto Parts.

Charles

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MarkB_MI

12-30-2007 04:02:39




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to Charles (in GA), 12-29-2007 17:53:17  
Charles,

I'm not so sure that Delco batteries are made today by Delphi. When GM spun off Delphi, they retained the AC-Delco brand name. So "Delco" is just a brand and Delco parts these days are made by the low bidder. Sad to say, but that's the way things go.

Also, I think Johnson Controls (JCI) bought Delphi's battery manufacturing operations.



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jdjack

12-29-2007 20:22:13




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to Charles (in GA), 12-29-2007 17:53:17  
delpdi use to make a good battery, seems that positive post will leak acid and post will fall out. And Vechile will not run with no battery, and if disconnected, will probably smoke some modules



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Tom43

12-29-2007 16:34:07




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 13:49:56  
Dear BobOHIO,
Charge your battery. Then, hook your voltmeter across the battery terminals. Next, disable the ignition so the truck can't start. Crank for 15 seconds. The voltage must not drop below 10 volts on a new battery of the correct capacity. If it does the battery is defective.



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Hobo,NC

12-31-2007 04:36:36




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to Tom43, 12-29-2007 16:34:07  
"Charge your battery"

Who the ell does that,,, he he


"Then, hook your voltmeter across the battery terminals. Next, disable the ignition so the truck can't start. Crank for 15 seconds. The voltage must not drop below 10 volts on a new battery of the correct capacity. If it does the battery is defective"

Good a test as I know of it a carbon pile is not available,,, old school but a tried and true test,,, battery must B at full charge but who does that

Just went thru this wif a chain store alt and bat,,, bat bad and alt not up to snuff,,, all they know at the chain store is if the green light comes on,,on the tester its good to go.

A nice print out comes with the alt stating its been check for performance,,, will put out 127 amps @ 2500 RPM,,, I can check'em with the best of'em,,, 70 amps is the best I can git out of'em,,, I figger they just throw the same test sheet in every box.

spend $30 more for a better one same sheet of paper,,, but I can git 90 amps out of it.

Not many folks know how to check a battery,,, every DIY'er should save your tip,,, great tip,,, sure beats the green light test

The 9V test is a for sure kill test if the battery has been charged up to spec. Absolutely no doubt if the voltage falls below 9V shoot and kill it,,,call the family in,,, time for another one,,, green go lite or not.

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supergrumpy

12-29-2007 15:13:03




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 13:49:56  
you have a stumper there

as a temporary fix until warmer weather, remove the battery cable when you park that S-10, better way is to hook up a battery dis-connect switch (used on boats a lot)

if problem persists then you have bad battery or alternator

if problem goes away you have intermittent current drain



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tech4

12-29-2007 15:00:05




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 13:49:56  
Have someone start the truck and you check the voltage across the battery while starting. Voltage should not drop below 9 volts. A quick check is to start with headlights on and see how much the lights dim while starting. You may have a bad new battery or check for corroded connections...



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bo

12-29-2007 14:43:36




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 13:49:56  
Get a $5 hygrometer and check each cell. If one is dead, hygrometer will tell you.



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Tim in NB

12-29-2007 14:32:45




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 13:49:56  
A fully charged automotive type 12 volt battery should be 12.65 volts. This only applies to a standard flooded lead acid battery. Most batteries are sealed now so you can't measure the specific gravity any more either. The specific gravity of a fully charged battery is 1.265 corrected to 80 degrees F.



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P. Umpernikkel

12-29-2007 14:03:59




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 13:49:56  
A fully charged battery should be over 12V

And your truck should regulate a little below 14V

It may need a battery replacement.



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BobOHIO

12-29-2007 14:11:53




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to P. Umpernikkel, 12-29-2007 14:03:59  
Hello. The battery is a new Interstate battery. The first battery that went dead was a Delco. I figured the Delco was just old/bad so that is why I replaced it.



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old

12-29-2007 14:28:50




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 Re: OT Dead Battery Revisited in reply to BobOHIO, 12-29-2007 14:11:53  
Not un-common for a new battery to be bad. I got one a couple weeks ago and put it in one of my tractors I had just got and it would not turn the engine over. I thought the starter was bad so I pulled it and checked it out but it was good tried a different battery and the engine fired right up. Took the new bad battery back and got another new one for free of course

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