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Heating a well pit (or outbuilding)

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Daniel Bear Kel

12-29-2007 09:09:01




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The pressure switch in my well pit was frozen this morning... again. Does anyone know of a good electric heater I can put in the well pit to keep the temp around 40 degrees or even 50 degrees? I heard about the trick of wiring-in an electric lightbulb as a 100W heater, but then I'd rather not leave a light bulb burning all the time. Heat tape? Any other suggestions? Feel free to e-mail, as I can't get online much.

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buickanddeere

12-31-2007 10:03:24




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
Heat tape with the built in thermostats seam to burn out the thermostat contacts in 1-3 years. I either purchase the heat tapes without thermostats. Or mount the thermostat's temp sensing pad facing the air instead of the pipe so it keeps the contacts closed most of the time.



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Big Mike

12-30-2007 15:08:06




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
Well, you stole my thunder. Dad use to put two, 100 Watt Bulbs in the insulated box (over the pump) inside the pump/wash house, and leave them burn all winter. That and a heat tape kept the pump from freezing up...



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Tim in OR

12-30-2007 14:32:50




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
Something I have used for years. I pick up a string of the large bulb christmas lights. (the ones with C-7 bulbs). I string them inside my pump house and leave them on till summer. At 7 watt per bulbs times 25 bulbs, you will have plenty of heat. The best part is that if one or two burn out, you don't loose much heat. Now is the time to pick them up in after christmas sales. The last string I bought cost me about $1.99 .
Tim in OR

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NE IA

12-30-2007 12:07:24




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
I never gamble at the boat or otherwise. My job is the only gamble on my record.

That being said, what does a freeze up cost you? We always place two small heaters, usualy at auctions I get them for less than a dollar, some are new in the box.

The max for 110 volt lines are around 1,500 watt, and that is what most heaters are. So therefore we run a different line for each heater, on different legs of the the service.

We seldom get thanks for our work, but have had costomers say thanks when they discoverd one heater not working, and the other one saving their rear ends.

Remember mice and rats enjoy warm as much as we do, so put out twice as much poision as you think is practical also.

We sometimes, not real often have wirred in a thermostat within the dog houses, and that wire runs to a light bulb outside in plain view. The thermostat is set around 36 degrees so that when the temperature gets there it tells you there is something wrong. Most guys don't care about a few dollars, and set the temperature of the heaters for around 40-50 degrees. Very costly perhaps, but when you mention insurance costs, medical, gas etc. it realy means nothing in the big picture, compared to a freeze up.

A old farmer that raised cattle one time made me pour a six foot x six foot cement pit under every cattle water, six foot deep with a precast lid. I kinda cussed because of the time involved, not to mention we had to lay two lines from the house to each water--never a tee in any of the water lines. The electrical wirring was basicly the same--two lines for each in the same plastic drain tile. The water lines were in a four inch plastic sewer pipe anytime we went under the concrete. Golly it seemed like alot of expence, but now thirty five years later when you consider what little electricity he has used because the heat from the ground keeps the waters from freezing, he has probably been paid back several times. I will say it sure is fun changing out a old cattle waterer for him as you stand upright to make the connections in the pit.

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Kent in KC

12-30-2007 08:22:42




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
What would happen if you put a bucket of manure down there with it? Would the poo give off enough heat to keep it above freezing?



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T_Bone

12-30-2007 07:15:18




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
Hi Daniel,

This might give you idea of wht your wanting. From past experienced a 100w lite bulb inside a 2ft x 2ft x 2ft deep box will produce 230�.

I would take the advice and relocate the control to inside the structure, The pressure control doen't care where it senors the pressure on the line. Then run a control wire to a contractor to turn the pump on. This can be line voltage control or low voltage (24vac) depending on the length of run.

Build a tower building above the well head ?

T_Bone

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Lee in Iowa

12-30-2007 06:46:23




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
I also used a heat lamp never any trouble. If you don't want it to run all the time some farm supply stores and catalogs have a thermostat that plugs into your ext. cord and then plug the heat lamp into the thermstat, they look like a three way tap, preset to come on at 35 go off at 40. Lee



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circus

12-30-2007 02:17:57




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
Don't know your particular design but some strategically placed insulation will do wonders. If not feasible a 10 watt bulb works.



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GeneMO

12-29-2007 20:02:19




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
Our local farm and home stores sell a "utility heater" Or "milk house" heater for less than $20. It is 110v and has a thermostat. I wired it securely fromt he celing and let it hang at about chest level. This helped keep it off the concrete floor, which sometimes was damp. This heater has served me well for years. Prior to that we use heat lamp bulbs screwed in a procelen fixture on the celing. This also worked well, but was expensive as it ran all the time.


Gene

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RayP(MI)

12-29-2007 16:26:20




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
Check with your local hardware store. They probably carry just what you want, made just for the purpose of heating a well house. I got one several years ago, and to my knowledge, mine has never come on. My well house is well insulated, and the water flow is apparently enough to keep the heat up. It doesn't have to be much. When we had a gas well on the farm, this well house was heated by a old gas light fixture. Flame was hardly larger than a pilot light on a furnace, or water heater.

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lenray

12-29-2007 16:22:45




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
I have a dozen of these dog houses for wells--here is what I do.
Take a 5 ft. of 14 --- wire a pigtail on one end half way down cut into just one wire and splice a pigtail in there at the other end wire in a plug.
Power goes thru the one bulb to the other cutting the brightness in approx. half. Have used some of the same bulbs for over 10 years without going out.
A standard light bulb in there won't last the winter. Have never had a freeze up in over 30 years of doing this. I use 2 sets just for cheap insurance and unplug them in the spring also use lots of blue board insulation in the houses.

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Daniel Bear Kelley

12-30-2007 11:29:47




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to lenray, 12-29-2007 16:22:45  
Now *THAT* is creative! Basically cutting 120VAC down to 60VAC at each bulb by running the light bulbs in series! That *WOULD* lengthen their lifespan by a long way!



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Brian G. NY

12-30-2007 15:01:33




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-30-2007 11:29:47  
Years ago we purchased a little plug in unit that runs 2 nite lites in series. Nite lites are notorious for burning out in a short time but I have had to replace only one bulb in this unit in about 20 years. We use it in our bathroom and it is on continually. I have never seen these offered for sale again. Maybe, the nite lite mfgrs. bought the patent rights?! LOL



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RickL

12-29-2007 15:17:45




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
always used heat lamp for years. no problems with those to much. Finally this past summer I redid well so all of the controls are in basement of house now,freeze problem solved



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Dusty MI

12-29-2007 14:43:08




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
I have a used well pit heater kicking around my shop waiting for some one to need it. It looks like a short piece of baseboard heater.



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Daniel Bear Kelley

12-29-2007 11:20:50




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
A gentleman named Don sent me this message: Dan, Dad was in the water pump business for twenty six years. He disliked heat tapes because he claimed that, at least the 50-70 s versions were prone to cause fires. He saw several cases of that. We carried low temp heaters that kicked on around 34 degrees adn normally off at about 38-forty. Some were factory set w/o thermostats if I remember correctly. They were available in 110 and 220 volt. We got them from our electrical wholesalers. Pump guys or do it yourself stores should carry them. I have also used just a light bulb that I turned on when the temp dropped in the fall but those were in a small pump enclosure It was very tight and well insulated. Light bulbs tend to burn out during cold spells and you run out of water just as you are getting out and about to work. An above ground jet pump or centrifugal pump motor also adds some heat when it runs. I built a heavily insulated fruit room in our new shop and we are currently using a small! space heater set very low. it works fine. We only see sub zero minus number temps occasionaly here though. Good luck. Don

THANK YOU, Don! I was not aware that heat tape could be a fire hazard. My thanks to Chris, too, for suggesting heat tape. The next question though: What kinds of low temp heaters are out there? Any specific brands with which you've had good luck?

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Bob

12-29-2007 12:23:04




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 11:20:50  
Modern heat tape with a stainless steel braid covering is MUCH safer than the old stuff.

ANY electric heater will work, just get the appropriate thermostat.

For ONE source of a handy thermostat, scroll down to:

"ACF Prewired Thermostat
Plug-N-Play, No Wiring Needed"



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Daniel Bear Kelley

12-30-2007 11:32:54




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Bob, 12-29-2007 12:23:04  
Wow! Excellent Link! Thank you!



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Chris(WA)

12-29-2007 10:06:44




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 12-29-2007 09:09:01  
Heat tape with a thermostatic control would be best and cheapest I would think. Applies direct heat to what you want to keep warm.



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36 coupe

12-30-2007 01:51:48




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to Chris(WA), 12-29-2007 10:06:44  
Ive used heat tape and a thermostat on the barn water faucet for 40 years now.Do not wind the tape back over itself.I worked on a poultry farm for 3 years that used heat tapes with no problem.Rats will chew on them and cause them to fail.They just stop heating.Light bulbs work, use two 130 volt and figure 1000 hours of life.Milk house heaters work too,just use a proper wire size if you use an extension cord.I would rather pay for the electric power than lug water to the barn.

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PaulW_NJ

12-30-2007 04:53:26




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to 36 coupe, 12-30-2007 01:51:48  
I"ve read that something like 80% of the energy consumption of a regular light bulb goes into the production of heat, the rest illumination. That"s why they"re so innefficient compared to the new fluourecent type bulbs. So for heating a small enclosed space seems like the most cost effective, and safest way to go. Just experiment with the wattage till you get the what you need. . . . bigger the space, colder the outside temp, the bigger the bulb. Or wire in a thermostat to control the bulb socket.

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davpal

12-30-2007 10:34:22




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 Re: Heating a well pit (or outbuilding) in reply to PaulW_NJ, 12-30-2007 04:53:26  
I agree Paul. I would just try one of the new twisty looking flouresent bulbs in there. They only draw 13 watts and they put out 60 watts worth of light. I know they get warm too because I just tried to take one out of a fixture and it was too hot to turn without a glove on. They are supposed to last 8 years too. Heres another tip too, make a sight glass on the side of the house so you can see if it is on all the time. You can use a glass block in the wall and watch it all winter to let you know if its going. Good luck.

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