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Billy NY

12-28-2007 08:29:01




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I've got to add one of these to my collection for jobs I'm currently doing now, just wondering if anyone has any suggestions for something to take to jobs, $200-$300 range. Mostly to take to a job, figured I'd try and find an older one for stationary use in the garage when the time comes, and still have a more portable one, sources for my to purchase are our favorite big box retailers, and I've a got a long established contractor power tool supplier as well that might have more of a better grade selection available.

Appreciate your suggestions !

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Billy NY

12-31-2007 07:26:29




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed (Thanks Everyone !) in reply to Billy NY, 12-28-2007 08:29:01  
Well, under the gun to finish and trim out this double door I installed in a 6" wall, actually I just wanted to get er done, buying some time in between gigs to finish another business related project at home, I called my contractor supplier and discussed a few models, like Stan mentioned the Makita looked good, as did a few other higher priced models, but I did find a common ground here as he carried the Dewalt DW-745, not sure if this falls into a homeowners grade tool or not, but Lowes had it in stock, for $299, used a $10 coupon, got it for $289, before tax, about $80 less than the supplier had it for, he was closing early and I needed to get something to get the job done, so I had to get it at Lowes, I do try to support the independent supply houses as much as possible.

It's a decent table, bench top saw, for the field, and at home on the bench, the only thing I don't like about it is the anti-kick back, spring loaded, toothed guides on the safety guard, it leaves a mark down the soft pine, so you have to plan that into your cut by putting the back side of the piece up. I used a small piece of wood to chock it up out of the way,for 3/4" material at least. I think Dewalt calls it a splitter, supposed to further separate the 2 pieces you are cutting, well it't too sharp and the spring forces it down on the material you are cutting, does not make sense to me.

The fence seems to stay true, it's made of rectangle shaped aluminum extrusion, seems to lock in place easily, but nothing today compares to older quality, I had been keeping an eye out on the local want ad and other similar ads, if I do find something like a Delta, Craftsman, or similar, I could always check it out, still have the box for the new one, this job paid for it at least could sell it, or keep strictly for the field. None of the lower priced ones look like they would handle any abuse, probably increasing free play in adjustments and or tolerances, have to use care when moving it etc.

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Slowpoke

12-30-2007 23:42:25




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed in reply to Billy NY, 12-28-2007 08:29:01  
I've seen many table saws on Craigslist from $50 on up. I found a Makita portable, but at $180 it was out of my budget.
I mentioned to a friend that I was looking for a table saw. He said a friend had given him one but he never picked it up. I found it leaning up against an outside wall of a garage and rusting nicely. It's a Craftsman 10" Contractor's saw, all cast iron table and wings, but no stand. The fence guide bar is 60" long! I'm cleaning it up and it shows very little wear. All parts are still listed on Sears Parts site. What a find!

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Oldmax

12-30-2007 16:51:44




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed in reply to Billy NY, 12-28-2007 08:29:01  
Look around I bought a 10" craftman with the base for $50 . Also 12" band saw for $100 , And Radil arn for $200 " Didtial" . Check adds & trader papers.



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Stan in Oly, WA

12-29-2007 10:13:30




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed in reply to Billy NY, 12-28-2007 08:29:01  
Hi Billy,

I really doubt that I can tell you anything you don't already know, but I'll throw in my point of view. Years ago I had a lightweight, full sized table saw that I could haul to the jobsite. The advantages of having a full sized saw must not have outweighed the difficulty of hauling it around because when it was stolen, I didn't bother to replace it.

For me, the choice of a truly portable saw was between a well built name brand model, and the $100 Chinese (the other China at that time) units that sometimes had a recognizable brand like Skill or B&D, but were always the same low quality, lightweight tool. I thought Makita made one of the best bench top table saws at the time, but a large price increase just as I was about to buy one put me on the cheap saw course instead.

The main problem of cheap saws is the difficulty of adjustments. The fence is totally unreliable, and blade height or blade angle adjustments are uncertain, at best. I dealt with these shortcomings by treating the fence as if it were free floating---which it was---and blade adjustments as if there were no gauges on the saw. In other words, I measured every setting before making a cut, or series of the same cut.

Cost aside, some people insist on their tools being the best they can be, and some people take a perverse pleasure in being able to turn out good work with difficult tools. Apparently, I've always been in the latter category, but looking back on it, I'm inclined to think it might just be a part of the definition of stupid.

Happy New Year, Stan

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Billy NY

12-31-2007 07:01:02




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-29-2007 10:13:30  
That is a good way to put it, turning out good work with poor quality tools can be quite the challenge and has the potential to waste materials. Some people really do pride themselves on doing that, like anything, once you're familiar with something, things get a little easier, even when you have to compensate to get the tolerances you want in your work, I'd prefer to have the quality tool, when possible, which is not always the case.

Actually I'll beg to differ with you, I'd bet there is quite a bit you could tell me that I don't know ! :)

Funny thing my father used to say, when someone was a little full of themselves, and I did have the rare opportunity to witness this once on a job site; "I've forgotten more than you'll ever know about this business !" Not very often, but sooner or later someone will always test you, I used that line once in a heated up meeting, the resounding after effects were interesting, one of the construction manager/general contractor's project manager's henchmen (superintendent) was getting a little pushy on changing our sequence of work from finishing a floor at a time, to finishing an elevation (side of bldg.) at a time, having us move back and forth between floors which was not the way the job was bid and would have cost us significantly, needless to say the meeting got out of control, they asked me to be civil, but I fired both barrels at once regardless, the scene definitely qualified for an academy award, along with plagarizing that line my father used, sometimes I think it does has some truth to it !

I must have A.D.D. or something, having gone a bit astray here !

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J.C.in AZ.

12-28-2007 15:13:01




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed in reply to Billy NY, 12-28-2007 08:29:01  
I second the "Find a used Delta Contractor Saw" A good condition one should be in your price range probably close to the $300.00 range. Local shopper papers are a good source or just stop and ask a crew at a bldg. site if they know of one. Be careful of swap meet tools. Some of those people don't appear very ethical if you get my drift.A Delta is a good Tool to have. JC



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Dick2

12-29-2007 05:38:12




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed in reply to J.C.in AZ., 12-28-2007 15:13:01  
The whole Delta thing has changed in the last year or so since they were acquired by B&D. I have several Delta machines; now I learn that parts are no longer available for most of them!!! The Delta Service Centers are gone and nobody at B&D service centers gives a **mn.



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Dick2

12-28-2007 15:01:47




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed in reply to Billy NY, 12-28-2007 08:29:01  
I don't know the specs, but I like the looks of the Hitachi portable that I saw in Lowes awhile ago. It looks like it would be easy to move around.



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B from Texas

12-28-2007 11:26:33




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed in reply to Billy NY, 12-28-2007 08:29:01  
I have the Rigid Brand portable table saw. It has been great! It received the highest ratings of all the portable saws with an exceptional sturdy fence. It also comes on a really nice cart the folds up to allow you to wheel it around. Very easy to load and unload in the truck or van. I purchased mine from Home Depot. You can even shop them on line. Hope this helps.



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nw_bearcat

12-28-2007 19:49:12




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed in reply to B from Texas, 12-28-2007 11:26:33  
I've heard alot of good things about the Ridgid portable saw as well. If you watch they have some good sales, I think they had them under 200 for the Thanksgiving sale this fall.



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wyod

12-28-2007 11:26:09




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed in reply to Billy NY, 12-28-2007 08:29:01  
Hey Billy,
I'd look around for a used Delta Contractor's saw... should be able to find one in good condition in the price range you have in mind. Delta (Rockwell) has been making that machine for decades... it's absolutely bullet-proof and is the standard by which all other contractor's saws are measured. And... later, if you want to upgrade the rip fence, a number of models are available that will bolt directly to the saw. Finally, any needed replacement parts are available directly from Delta... I've heard any number of horror stories about folks who've purchased other brands of machinery and find out a few years later that spare parts are no longer available... HTH, D

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Bill in NorthCentral PA

12-28-2007 08:53:46




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 Re: Table Saw recommendations needed in reply to Billy NY, 12-28-2007 08:29:01  
We have a delta at the high school shop where I teach. It gets used by a bunch who are not the easiest on tools and keeps on running. No idea on price. Good luck.

Bill



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