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BobOHIO

12-26-2007 11:29:58




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I've got an 88 Chevy S-10 with the 4.3L V-6. My battery went dead the other day. Figured the battery was older and got a new one. After in the truck a couple of days it is now dead too. I was thinking an alternator problem can drain a battery. Is there an easy way to test for this? I put a new alternator on it from Advance Auto Parts about a year ago. Maybe it is bad? Voltmeter during charging read 15 volts at the battery while it was running. Thanks Bob

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BobOHIO

12-28-2007 17:54:16




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to BobOHIO, 12-26-2007 11:29:58  
Thanks everybody. I always get good help from this group on here and I appreciate it. You are a good bunch of people. I'll get to work on it now. Thank you. Bob



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IH2444

12-27-2007 11:22:53




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to BobOHIO, 12-26-2007 11:29:58  
Note that with most vehicles the test light and VM method will show current drain if nothing is wrong.
the computer, clock, etc draw current all the time and are supposed to.



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circus

12-27-2007 23:08:52




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to IH2444, 12-27-2007 11:22:53  
I disagree. If the drain is high enough to make a test light glow at all, it's too high. Normal parasitic drains wouldn't even warm the filament.



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MarkB_MI

12-27-2007 04:10:45




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to BobOHIO, 12-26-2007 11:29:58  
I assume the voltmeter you refer to is your dashboard voltmeter. That tells you what the alternator is producing, not necessarily what is getting to the battery. Take a voltmeter and read the voltage directly at the battery terminals. For a side terminal battery, read off the bolts that screw into the side terminals.

If the voltage you see at the battery (engine running) is less than the alternator output, you have a bad connection. Likely suspects include any kind of aftermarket connector. The replacement battery cable ends that clamp on to the cable with a couple of bolts are notoriously bad and should never be used.

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circus

12-26-2007 23:57:28




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to BobOHIO, 12-26-2007 11:29:58  
Remove one battery terminal and install a test bulb there. If it glows at all start pulling fuses then disconnecting items till it gos out and you've found your drain. I had a drain in the radio.



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RayP(MI)

12-26-2007 16:56:06




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to BobOHIO, 12-26-2007 11:29:58  
Got a call on a rescue unit that was eating the battery when parked, one time. Took me a while to find the culprit by disconnecting various circuits one at a time, until I got to the cigarette lighter circuit. Seems that they kept a hand spotlite connected to the lighter plug, and one of the squad members got tired of it falling out of the clip on the dash, and chucked it in the glovebox. You know the rest of the story: Switch got bumped on, and they never noticed it, even when the light got hot enough to scorch a pair of rubberized work gloves in the box. Look for the simple things first... Dome light left on, door switches not shutting off, auxilliary electronics left on, etc. A radar detector and a 2-way radio will run my oversized battery down in a day and a half.

Also had an alternator do it to me: everything worked fine as long as wife drove to work, grabbed her stuff, and exited out the driver's door. If she went around and opened the passenger's door, the voltage regulator in the alternator would sense the voltage drop, and energize the field coil, even when ignition was off. In her 8 hour work shift, she'd come back to a dead battery. Took me a while to figure that one out! Had just had that alternator rebuilt, and rebuilder put all new electronic components in it. Funny thing was, he ended up putting two more regulators in and they both failed the same way. Finally went back, raided his junk pail, found old regulator, and reinstalled that -no more problems!

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2t2@ia

12-26-2007 16:45:06




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to BobOHIO, 12-26-2007 11:29:58  
Good advice from all. One more thing, once I put in a new name brand battery, and the next day it was dead. I looked and looked for the problem. Couldn't find any trouble. Turned out the new battery was bad. Doesn't happen often.



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Bob

12-26-2007 14:30:50




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to BobOHIO, 12-26-2007 11:29:58  
Disconnect the alternator... the large output wire, AND the multiple-pin "quick connector", and leave it set overnight, or whatever the timeframe is that it has been taking to fdrain the battery.

If the battery stays up, you'll know it's the alternator.



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guido

12-26-2007 13:28:39




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to BobOHIO, 12-26-2007 11:29:58  
Hey Bob
You can check the battery voltage while the vehicle is not running, then in a couple of hrs.
if the voltage is going down you have a drain in the system. As the other post said it may not be easy. If you test for draw with the battery cable off it should be a small amount of current may 1/4 amps.Take the alternator battery wire out and see if that is draning the battery, an our later compare readings. Goo Luck.
Guido.

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supergrumpy

12-26-2007 12:43:24




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to BobOHIO, 12-26-2007 11:29:58  
with key out of ignition and ALL lights off, remove a battery cable and hook ammeter between cable and battery post, use highest amp setting you have, should only be a tiny current draw or none, 6 volt bulb put into the gap can work if no ammeter

if you have substantial flow, finding the actual culprit can be easy or hard, wired rubbed thru the insulation, light staying on, bad diode in alternator, stuff like that, removing fuses one at a time sometimes works

just have to unhook things and see when the flow stops, good luck and tell us what you find

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Bus Driver

12-26-2007 14:10:55




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to supergrumpy, 12-26-2007 12:43:24  
A voltmeter is more sensitive for the test with the cable removed. The voltmeter will show a reading is there is any draw at all.



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mikicic

12-26-2007 12:12:30




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to BobOHIO, 12-26-2007 11:29:58  
I'd check for a bad diode in that alt. A diode is essentially a one-way switch. If 1 goes bad current will flow in the oposite direction and draw a battery dead.



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pair-a-dice farm

12-26-2007 11:58:18




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to BobOHIO, 12-26-2007 11:29:58  
If your voltmeter is correct at 15 volts, your alternator is good. You may have something else draining your battery. Check your brake lights, glove box light, light under the hood, ect. I have seen a bad brake light switch drain a battery several times.



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RustyFarmall

12-26-2007 12:53:32




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 Re: OT Dead Battery in reply to pair-a-dice farm, 12-26-2007 11:58:18  
Believe it or not, I once found the culprit to be an electronic turn signal flashing unit. The tough part was that absolutely NO lights were on or even flashing. Somehow, that flasher unit was sending electricity directly to ground, without even blowing a fuse.



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