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Rob in Ore

12-25-2007 07:35:30




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How do you guys store and handle gasoline?
I know the full time farmers are using enough to have large tanks but I only use about 5 gallons a month in the winter and 15 gallons a month in the summer.
I have seen the fuel caddies in the Northern Tool catalog and I wonder if that would be better than the pair of gas cans that I use now. I like the idea of having a hose. I was once on top of my tractor with a gas can and just as I got the spout into the tank, the spout broke. Dumped a gallon or two all over myself and the tractor.

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Yooper

12-26-2007 21:23:20




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 Re: Gasoline storage in reply to Rob in Ore, 12-25-2007 07:35:30  
Well everyone here might already know this but what the heck--I never use funnels-get a piece of hose and attach it to the spout on your can--Old guy who I saw doing it was using cut up garden hose-leave a couple feet at least-Put the hose in the gas tank opening and your can be safely pour with no can over your tractor when fueling--I dont use garden hose cause I dont trust it but you get the picture

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IH2444

12-26-2007 06:56:32




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 Re: Gasoline storage in reply to Rob in Ore, 12-25-2007 07:35:30  
I "store" my gas in plastic cans and a plastic barrel. I use Stabil in it and have zero problems with old gas. In the spring I use all my old gas up and restock with fresh gas with Stabil in it.



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JT

12-25-2007 16:57:01




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 Re: Gasoline storage in reply to Rob in Ore, 12-25-2007 07:35:30  
Well, first of all, make sure the "Gas Caddy" is DOT approved to be put in a car or truck, because depending on the mood of a cop, should he stop you, can give you a bad time for not having DOT approved fuel container, and if it is over so many gallons, you may have to put placards on your truck. Best thing to do in my opinion, buy a BIG galvanized funnel that will lock into your tractor gas tank, if that is what you are filling, get small ladder, so you are above the thing you are filling. Buy a couple 5 gallon safety cans, bout $50.00 each, then transfer to little 2 gallon cans as you need it, then use that big funnel to do the final fill.
Jim

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CNKS

12-25-2007 09:07:44




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 Re: Gasoline storage in reply to Rob in Ore, 12-25-2007 07:35:30  
That's less than what I use, possibly much less in the winter. I have 3 or 4 old plastic containers, they still work fine. I bought a galvanized funnel, after I almost ruined a new paint job doing the exact same thing as you.



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JoeK(WI)

12-25-2007 15:44:56




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 Re: Gasoline storage in reply to CNKS, 12-25-2007 09:07:44  
Modern gas,depending on your areas formulations,begins to lose it's"zip" in as little as a month or so.Also the mandated ethanol blends here seem(to me)to draw moisture into the can if not sealed.I use to keep 10-15 gal on hand,but have cut back to a couple 2.5 gal cans with tight caps and refill ea as needed.



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CNKS

12-25-2007 16:30:42




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 Re: Gasoline storage in reply to JoeK(WI), 12-25-2007 15:44:56  
I have had zero problems with gas storage, either in my 7 tractors, most of which are only started occasionally, or in my cans. I really think todays gas is BETTER than the older verisons, as far as stability--this will probably get negative responses, but that is my observation. And, I don't use stabilizer.



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JT

12-25-2007 16:47:15




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 Re: Gasoline storage in reply to CNKS, 12-25-2007 16:30:42  
CNKS,
If you are storing gas for over 30 days in old plastic gas cans, you have got to be the luckiest person I know. You must have a very high quality fuel supplier, because that does not happen in Illinois. I have customers bring 6 month old gas in wanting me to dispose of it, and we get some nasty gas. Unless you have a low permeable plastic fuel can, I cannot see how you do not have gas go bad from the evaporation of the liquid through the plastic and leaving an oily residue that you normally get with stale fuel.
Jim

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CNKS

12-25-2007 17:05:31




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 Re: Gasoline storage in reply to JT, 12-25-2007 16:47:15  
I am using the generic term for "plastic", for which there are various formulations, I am not a chemist. I have probably had at least one of the cans for for 16 years, newest ones maybe 5. All I know is they are not metal. Have stored gas in them over winter. They usually get refilled about 4 times in the summer, so it is not getting stored without use for more than about 4 months. The cans are clean inside. In my tractors all I do is make sure I have enough gas in the tanks so that it does not all evaporate and leave all the crud. Before starting I add two or three gallons of "fresh" (may be 2-4 months old) gas. I have a lot more problems with dead batteries and corroded wiring than I do gas. I'm not about to throw away $3 gas.

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JT

12-26-2007 07:04:49




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 Re: Gasoline storage in reply to CNKS, 12-25-2007 17:05:31  
I know what you mean by the $3.00 gas. Yes, most gas cans are what I refer as a generic plastic, but that will change, So if you want some cans that are still cheap and easy to use, stock up. The EPA says that plastic gas cans are permeable, meaning that gas can evaporate through the plastic. In the near future, gas cans are going to be 10-15.00 for a 2.5 gallon gas can due to this. Gas storage over the winter is not real critical, due to it being cold, it will not evaporate. Keep in mind that old tractors and old hit n mis engine carbs are lot more forgiving than newer carbs. My hit n miss engines sit a lot, and the fuel gets a little rank at times, but they will run, and you can smell the bad gas burning.
If you do get some gas that is a little aged, put it in your car or truck, if you put 2-3 gallon in a tank full of 15-20 gallons, it will dillute. Fuel and fuel storage is a touchy subject with a lot of people. Sounds as though you are a little bit more picky about how you use and store fuel than you realize, though. I work on outdoor power equipment for a living, they have little bitty passages, so I maybe get a little more concerned about fuel storage than I should for anything except lawn equipment.
Jim

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