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M. Anderson

12-22-2007 20:20:01




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I have pulled a junked U.S. stove co. model 1537 indoor furnas from the salvage yard. I would like to use it out side and blow the heated air into my pole barn with a squirel cage .Anyone see a down side ? Thanks in advance M.Anderson




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RayP(MI)

12-23-2007 18:14:51




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 Re: Indoor furnas used out doors in reply to M. Anderson, 12-22-2007 20:20:01  
Ask the family on the other side of our township. They built a wood enclosure around a wood furnace, ducted hot air into house. Fire cheif said he"d never seen a house go up so fast!



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jdemaris

12-23-2007 18:32:41




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 Re: Indoor furnas used out doors in reply to RayP(MI), 12-23-2007 18:14:51  
Sounds like they didn't do a very good job.
Anything can be screwed up and made dangerous.

On the other hand, there are many ways to install a woodfurnace, as I described, very safely.

I also don't think I'd go to a firechief for techincal advice on such matters.



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M. Anderson

12-23-2007 14:45:48




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 Re: Indoor furnas used out doors in reply to M. Anderson, 12-22-2007 20:20:01  
I guess maybe I didn't explain my situation .1 lots of downed dried trees to burn 2. No money it's christmas 3. It would be put together with junk material, I pick a salvage yard weekly and get most building materials from there, plate stock, structural tubing ect. Some heat better than no heat and at 2.49 a gal for propane something has to go. Also if the stove pipe caught fire as long as its away from the house let it burn it's just junk after all.

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M. Anderson

12-23-2007 14:44:41




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 Re: Indoor furnas used out doors in reply to M. Anderson, 12-22-2007 20:20:01  
I guess maybe I didn't explain my situation .1 lots of downed dried trees to burn 2. No money it's christmas 3. It would be put together with junk material, I pick a salvage yard weekly and get most building materials from there, plate stock, structural tubing ect. Some heat better than no heat and at 2.49 a gal for propane something has to go. Also if the stove pipe caught fire as long as its away from the house let it burn it's just junk after all.

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jdemaris

12-23-2007 17:40:27




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 Re: Indoor furnace used outdoors in reply to M. Anderson, 12-23-2007 14:44:41  
Since you're on a tight budget, I don't want to add complexity to all this. But, hot air doesn't travel far too well. So, you'd need to get it pretty close to the building, and you also need a well insulated enclousure - otherwise you'be be heating the great outdoors.

I did something on one of my outdoor workshops that works great - much better than I'd expected. It was a big, Thermocontrol Model 500 wood-furnace (that's the brand, made in New York).
I pulled it out of a scrap-metal pile. Brought it home, set it about 10 feet from my shop. Then built a room around it, and when all done, opened up the one wall. So, now there was a small offset room with the woodfurnace. I built a sloping ceiling, angling down as it went out. That way, it sheds snow and water - but inside works great at aiding convection. Ceiling is 5/8" sheetrock - but is also shielded with scrap metal roofing - spaced a inch off the ceiling. With that air-space between the steel and ceiling, the ceiling barely ever gets warm. Back wall behind the furnace is setup the same way. I'll skip the rest of the details. But, I had originally planned on finding away to add a plenum and blower to the furnace. But, after using it the first winter, I found it heats the entire building fine just with convection. It's a three story barn, 26 X 36, with a 40 X 40 one-story addition on it. I go out there when its below zero, and it gets warm in there fast once the fire is going. The most expensive part of the installation was the stainless-steel chimney - which is not worth cutting corners on - not to me, anyway.

As I posted earlier, I also heat my house with a hot-air EPA rated wood-furnace with a room built around it - but that setup is much different than in my shop/barn. My longest air-duct run goes underground and runs 40 feet to heat most distant part of my house. The duct is well insulated and 12" diameter round, and very hot air going into it, comes out just warm enough to heat the most remote room. If that duct was any longer, it would just be blowing cold air.

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circus

12-23-2007 15:25:31




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 Re: Indoor furnas used out doors in reply to M. Anderson, 12-23-2007 14:44:41  
I'm replying to your reply to my reply to a reply to your inquiry. I wasn't replying to your inquiry.



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paul

12-23-2007 09:44:12




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 Re: Indoor furnas used out doors in reply to M. Anderson, 12-22-2007 20:20:01  
You will lose a fair amount of heat - from the ductwork & from the stove itself as they are not insulated so much - intended to throw heat loss into building anyhow. You'll have to put a roof over it I'm sure.

--->Paul



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jdemaris

12-23-2007 06:35:15




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 Re: Indoor furnas used out doors in reply to M. Anderson, 12-22-2007 20:20:01  
It's got to be close since hot-air does not travel well over long distances.

Seems having it in the barn, and getting some "free" convection heat would be a bonus.

I did the opposite. I've got an outside-furnace installed inside - and it works great. I built an insulated room around it with a burn-out proof Canadian chimney. I never have to go outside to load it, and - if I bring damp wood in, it's dry in a matter of days. The room also works great for hanging wet winter clothes in - they dry out in hours.

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Lee in Iowa

12-23-2007 20:34:15




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 Re: Indoor furnas used out doors in reply to jdemaris, 12-23-2007 06:35:15  
What's a Canadian chimney? Lee



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jdemaris

12-24-2007 08:06:46




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 Re: Indoor furnace used outdoors in reply to Lee in Iowa, 12-23-2007 20:34:15  
A chimney certified to Canadian, not U.S. standards. Both countries have different requirements for how much high temps a chimney can take before burning out. The Canadian specs are much more stringent, i.e. "burn-out" proof than the United States "UL" listings. I wanted the best possible, burn-out proof chimney only available in Canada. It took some doing to get it. One big problem is - most of the major companies - like Metalspestos, Metal-Fab, etc. sell both U.S. versions and Canadian versions, and they don't like to compete against them selves by crossing borders. So, I had to contact the Canadian divsion and tell them I wanted a Canadian version of pipe in the U.S. Since I'm close to the Canadian border, they agreed to bring one across to one of the U.S. dealers, etc. etc. - but it took some arguing to get it done.
Funny thing is - it wasn't anymore expensive then the U.S. version, just much better quality.

The two big concerns with any chimney - is #1 how well insulated they are so they stay hot and therefore stay clean, and #2 if they happen to catch fire - how fire-proof are they.
The Canadian version far exceeds anything sold in the U.S. by both counts and has a 4" thick layer of insulation around it besides some dead-air spaces. I'd have to check my records to be sure, but at I recall the chimney system I bought is:

The S-2100+ high temperature chimney meets and widely exceeds the most stringent testing standards in line with harsh Canadian weather conditions. The S2100+ is a high quality product offering maximum protection from chimney fires capable of reaching temperatures of 2100�F. Exceeds all ULC standards.

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circus

12-23-2007 14:14:39




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 Re: Indoor furnas used out doors in reply to jdemaris, 12-23-2007 06:35:15  
Outdoor boilers are less efficient than indoor boxes. You have the worst of both worlds. An excuse for insurance claim denial and a big thirst for wood. That cold fire will choke the chimney with creosote. Come on guys. Do it your self means do it better.



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jdemaris

12-23-2007 16:08:22




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 Re: Indoor furnace used out doors in reply to circus, 12-23-2007 14:14:39  
Well, wrong on all counts - as least as they pertains to me. I don't have a boiler, I have a hot-air wood furnace, and - as of last year, it was the only EPA certified wood-furnace in existence. There may have been more added since then. As I read it, the guy that posted is also has a hot-air unit . Yes, there is a problem with wood fires against water-filled boilers - but I don't have a boiler. In regard to the insurance worries you posted - it was inspected, it didn't raise my rates, and I'm fully covered. In regard to choking the chimney - hmmn - I think I'd notice. I've heated with wood my entire life - and certainly know what the dangers of creosote are. My chimney stays surprising clean - in fact - as clean as my small EPA rated Hearthstone woodstove we have inside the house as a backup unit. Sorry, but my fire does not smolder or smoke badly, chimney stays as clean as any for a wood fire, and the installation is very safe. In fact, after doing some research, I found out that the burnout safety ratings are different in Canada and you can buy a safer chimney there than in the U.S. That's what I did. I have several neighbors with outdoor boilers, and my setup works much nicer.

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paul

12-23-2007 21:37:35




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 Re: Indoor furnace used out doors in reply to jdemaris, 12-23-2007 16:08:22  
I am very, very surprised you were able to put an outdoor furnace indoors & have that pass the insurance co. I would believe someone dropped the ball, & didn't do a proper inspection. I would expect there to be 'issues' with this some day.

I'm not saying what is wrong or right; just that outdoor equipment just is not allowed - on principle- indoors, never mind how well a job you did.

--->Paul

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jdemaris

12-24-2007 07:47:34




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 Re: Indoor furnace used out doors in reply to paul, 12-23-2007 21:37:35  
They did a very thorough inspection. In fact, the first guy who came had to call someone else in with more knowledge on the subject.

The plain fact is, I did a good safe insulation and they are fine with it.



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buickanddeere

12-25-2007 04:59:19




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 Re: Indoor furnace used out doors in reply to jdemaris, 12-24-2007 07:47:34  
Paul Its the difference of doing things "right". Without cutting corners, taking the easy way out, saving time, it's good enough, cheaping out or I know what I'm doing, we don't need no books & rules. Shortcuts is the name of the thing that sneaks up later and bites you in the behind.



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