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jonjon

12-20-2007 17:04:36




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Bought a toolbox that had a kennedy magnetic crack detector in it. Are these small machines very accurate. Already have a pressure test machine in my machine shop.




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Kent in KC

12-21-2007 13:52:14




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 Re: crack detector in reply to jonjon, 12-20-2007 17:04:36  
We used to use MagnaFlux. Brush it on the metal and let it dry. It there's a crack you'll see it clearly as a dark line.



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135 Fan

12-21-2007 00:22:39




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 Re: crack detector in reply to jonjon, 12-20-2007 17:04:36  
They do most of the checks for cracks on amusement park rides with mag particle testing. Fine powder can be used but the black/white liquid shows finer defects. It used with a black light. Ultra sound is also used. Like X-rays, ultra sound takes a lot of training to be able to read it properly. On certain inspections one method will be better than another. On vessels ulta sound is used where X-rays won't work. Mag particle is very accurate though. I got to know the guy that did it pretty good. Sometimes he used just a strong magnet (without power) to do testing. Dave

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T_Bone

12-20-2007 20:31:39




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 Re: crack detector in reply to tiresntracks, 12-20-2007 17:04:36  
Hi Jon.

All magnetic imaging works the same. The magnetic eddy currents are controlled by the transformer power. The larger the magnetic field the larger the area that can be checked at one time.

The fine iron powder is the key ingredient to the process. The finer the power is the more exact reading that can be obtained and more quickly.

At the best, mag-particle testing is only accurate to with in 1/16" of the surface defect.

If you want near a 100% perfect test result then only X-ray can provide that.

To make any of the NDT (non-distructive testing) accurate, extreme clening of the base metal is required and more so with die penterent or mag-particle testing since they both only detect surface defects.
T_Bone

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L.C.Gray

12-21-2007 05:46:48




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 Re: crack detector in reply to T_Bone, 12-20-2007 20:31:39  
We now have the latest in eddy current testing for cracks where I work.

I requested a dye penetrant test (Zyglo) on a slightly damaged aluminum bulkhead the other day. I prepped the metal by removing all finishes down to bare smooth metal. The technician arrived, but not with the Zyglo kit, but with a small electronic ocilliscope box with a probe smaller than a pencil. He ran the probe arond the area in question for a few seconds and pronounced it fit.

He explained to me that not only was it more accurate than the penetrant, it didn't even require removal of the finish to use it. Pretty amazing!

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T_Bone

12-21-2007 14:42:53




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 Re: crack detector in reply to L.C.Gray, 12-21-2007 05:46:48  
Hi LC,

What the tech was using is Ultrsonic testing and yes I agree that UT is alot better than DP or MP.

Both DP and MP only check for discontinuity's with-in 1/16" of the surface. A deeper problem would not show up with either of these two NDT methods.

UT then would be the next best as the UT sound waves travel the full metal thickness. The problem here is that were open to discussion of just what the scope reads. A "very" experienced tech would be a asset in this case. I don't know if the newer UT scopes have a memory function to where the data could be reviewed by a metallurgist or welding engineer at a latter time.

X-ray NDT is always #1 when it comes to 100% metal thickness testing as there is a film that can be seen by many experts in that field. Back in the days, only a field engineer could make the call if there appeared to be a problem and only then would a metallurgist/welding engineer be called to the field for final determination of the flim.

The testing company is taking a huge risk by letting a field engineer make that call! As a AWS/CWI, I always liked going to the field to look at the films as it got me out from behind the desk. :)

T_Bone

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L.C.Gray

12-21-2007 18:01:37




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 Re: crack detector in reply to T_Bone, 12-21-2007 14:42:53  
See, now you hit right on what I was thinking.

He told me it was Eddy Current, but I thought it was strange that he claimed it would go right through the paint. I'd think the paint wouldn't allow conduction.

I really thought it was more like an ultrasound test.

I really desired the penetrant test myself, because thats what the MRB engineer ordered. This guy assured me that what he did was better anyway. I never did get an answer from him as to whether there was any authorization to do another type of test.

I wasn't really concerned with there being a crack since the defect was only .011 deep. The guy signed off on it, so its all on him now.

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135 Fan

12-21-2007 18:49:18




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 Re: crack detector in reply to L.C.Gray, 12-21-2007 18:01:37  
I think it has to magnetic material for mag particle testing to work. I never asked as all the testing I've seen has been on steel. Dave



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Too Far Gone

12-20-2007 19:02:20




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 Re: crack detector in reply to jonjon, 12-20-2007 17:04:36  
My Mom was a crack detector when I was growing up.She was always yelling at somebody to pull up their britches.



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NC Wayne

12-20-2007 17:40:53




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 Re: crack detector in reply to jonjon, 12-20-2007 17:04:36  
Don't know about that brand but I do know that magnetic detection works. I know the guys at our local engine machine shop use a magnetic setup for checking blocks, etc that can't be pressurized. Since it can be used on a variety of parts that you wouldn't be able to test with a pressure checker it would make it alot more versital or a tool.



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Davis In SC

12-20-2007 18:24:45




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 Re: crack detector in reply to NC Wayne, 12-20-2007 17:40:53  
Hey Wayne, how is married life?? Hope you and yours have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.



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