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Bud in WV

12-19-2007 10:05:37




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Looks like my old Sthil 028 is about to finally puke. I don't understand it - it's only 25 or 30 years old! The cylinder wall is scored but it still has compression so *if* I can get it to fire, I guess I'll do what I can with it.

Now for the question - what to replace it with? Does Stihl still make the same 028? I looked at a Husky 460 and and a 355. I'm leaning towards the 460 but how do they compare to the 028 & each other? Is 4ccs (.3 cu in) worth $35 more for the 460?

How tough is the Husky? My 028 had been dug out from under one tree that fell on it - at the beach so the soil was sandy & kinda soft. My ex SIL ran over it *twice*. The second time I had to find a totaled 028 to rob parts from but it ran for 4 more years.

The local shop here is a Husky dealer - I'm not going to waste the time to even look at the deals at Lowe's or HD - I want a real saw. Not something made for a homeowner to used ever 4 or 5 years!

If there's any bunch that can offer good suggestions, it's this board. Thanks for any info!

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soundguy

12-20-2007 20:38:50




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
I picked up a poulan pro to do some fence line clearing, and then to help trim the posts.. been a good saw for a year with no problems yet.

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Roy Suomi

12-20-2007 10:35:06




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
I"ve had my Homelite Super XL-925 since "77..No expenses except fof rubber fuel lines and carb kits every couple of years..It"s drawbacks are ;like trying to start a Mack truck with a recoil starter, and heavy to carry around...Bought an Echo CS-346 trimming saw..What a nice piece it is too...Starts on second pull , light , relatively quiet , 5 year non commercial warranty..I"ll go for a new Echo 500 series when the Homelite bails out on me in another 30 years..

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Tradititonal Farmer

12-20-2007 03:45:29




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
I have aboout 20 running chainsaws of various makes and I still like the older Homelites the best.



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onefarmer

12-19-2007 16:40:39




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
If you're happy with the size of the 028 then just rebuild it. But if you want a bigger saw try a 361. The guys on a saw forum I frequent seem to like it. Of if you want bigger yet go for a 441.

I have a 028 and a 026. Both seem to have about the same power but the hp/wt ratio is better on the 026. I run a 20" .325 bar/chain on mine. Works great and I don't bend over so much as with a 16". Just picked up a redone 044 last year and I now use it for anything over 8"dia.

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Bob Thomas

12-19-2007 16:28:06




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
Buy a Husky or an even numbered Stihl. Being in the tree business I have numerous saws, Husky or Stihl. I very slightly prefer Husky. They seem to crank easier. third party image



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M Nut

12-19-2007 16:01:16




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
If you want to cut a lot of firewood, buy a Husky. You won't be sorry. I have a 372xp that I carry on the skidder for cutting trees down, a 261 that I use limbing, and another 372xp I use for blocking the trees up. All you have to do is hang on and let um scream. All three have been perfect saws. they do cost more than some, but as far as I am concerned, some of the saws mentioned are ok for dittle work, but I sure would hate to have to use them all day long. Even my 261 (61 cc) is not good for anything besides limbing. Way to small for blocking up 20"+ trees all day.

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Bud in WV

12-19-2007 15:54:54




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
Thanks for all the info! Sounds like I need to "reserect" this baby. I was feeling like I was about to have to put my dog down! That 028 was the first thing I bought for myself after the smoke cleared from my divorce!
I talked to the guy I bought it from today. He's still in SC - where I started long, long ago! He's not a Stihl dealer anymore but he said he could get the parts and a "ballpark" figure for a "rebuild" would be $225. New cylinder, piston, etc. It's probably a good time for another new drive sprocket, bar and chain too, I guess. Maybe he'll give me a price break since I still have and use the original Stihl gas can/ tool kit that came with it....

A while back I'da found the parts and rebuilt it myself - nowdays my fingers and eyes just can't deal with all those little parts! I spent my life working on, machining on and welding on power plant equipment until I had to have both hips replaced. Then wound up in the "head shed" planning the jobs for 15 years. I sure enjoyed being "hands on" more - "hands on" with OT paid a lot better, too! At least I'm finally "retarded" now!

Thanks again for all the info and suggestions!

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guido

12-21-2007 16:42:25




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 15:54:54  
Hey Bud.

Joing to rest of us retarded.
Guido.



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Stan in Oly, WA

12-19-2007 18:06:34




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 15:54:54  
Hi Bud,

I think in southern speak when you don't work anymore you're "retard". As in, "Is Bud still working?" "No, haze retard."

I think "retarded" means retarded, like mentally retarded, everywhere in the country. I could be wrong, though.

Merry Christmas, Stan



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guido

12-22-2007 09:05:41




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-19-2007 18:06:34  
Hey Stan
Are you one of those RETARD guys, I think I am?
Merry Christmas..... ...
Here is the link for the tech school I RETARD form: www.penncotech.com.
Guido.



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Bud in WV

12-22-2007 09:29:59




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to guido, 12-22-2007 09:05:41  
The first time I heard the phrase, a woman was checking into the doctor's office that my wife worked in. The woman was loudly inquiring "if they wuz takin in new patients 'cause her Dr dun got retarded last year".
After 25 years working on turbines and boilers and in Nukes when I got sent, I figure I'm about as brain damaged as anyone who's still loose on the street....
Actually after the second set of hip replacements they decided I was a hazard to have on an outdoor turbine deck. Too much ice, grease on steel, etc...naw - they didn't have to suggest it but ONCE!

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Bud in WV

12-20-2007 03:59:52




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-19-2007 18:06:34  
After 25 years with a power company, it could easily go either way!



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JeremyR

12-19-2007 15:39:33




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
I've an 028 a Husky model 55 not the rancher, a jonsered and acouple of poulans and McColluchs and a Homelite XL2. Love my 028 scince I found in a dumpster. Husky, Poulan, And Jonsered are all made by Electrolux. Parts and manuals for husky are easlily obtainable from husky. Stihl is very stingy with info. Poulan good for around the house bigger stuff i would go with a Husky.

Jeremy just my .02

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Midwest redneck

12-19-2007 12:14:40




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
I have a Sthil 029 farm boss, 9 years old I ran the snot of it for about 6 months to clear my homesite, then used on the weekends. That saw is worth every penny, I paid $350 in 1998. I would buy another Stihl, only a trim saw, 16" instead of 18"bar.



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135 Fan

12-19-2007 11:45:20




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
Husky and Jonsored are basically the same. A pro model Husky is a good saw. I have a Husky 55 rancher. I'm sure a newer model rancher would be an excellent saw as well. I have a friend who helpes me at my track, that has a Stihl. He's had to take it in for repairs a few times. There are several good saws on the market. A real pro model Stihl like the 260 will cost a lot more than a comparable Husky. If the dealer's close, I'd get a pro Husky saw. It's no sense having a saw sit on the bench because you're waiting for some little part for it. Dave

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JW/NH

12-19-2007 10:51:35




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to 335LP, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
If you get another Stihl make sure it is an even numbersd saw like 260 or 280.odd numbered saws are homeowner grade



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JT

12-19-2007 10:42:35




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
There is NO saw built that is as good as that 028. The new saws are decent, but all are gutless wonders compared to the old 028. Why not buy a cylinder and piston and repair the one you have. You will be a lot happier that you will with a new saw. Some of the Husky saws are the same as Poulan Pro saws, all are owned by Electrolux Home Products. If you want a good saw for the money, look at a Dolmar, still a German made saw. Jonsered saws are good saws, Redmax makes a decent saw. Echo makes a good saw, then in line would be a Stihl. this is my opinion and experience selling adn working on saws for over 30 years.

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jdemaris

12-19-2007 11:05:11




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to JT, 12-19-2007 10:42:35  
In regard to your comment "There is NO saw built that is as good as that 028" I'm not use if you mean all saws - present and past, or just newer - but I disagree with all.

I bought my first Stihl used in the early 1970s - an 040. I still use it and I cut a lot of wood.
I also have an S10, an 030 along with many newer saws.

I was a Stihl, Sachs, and Homelite mechanic back to the late 60s on to the mid 80s. In my opinion - the 028 was nowhere near the saw many of the older Shihls were. We sold many to loggers as "limbing or topping" saws and they did not hold up well - expecally when compared to older 020s or 031s.

For new stuff? I own, have used, and worked on many newer professoinal grade Huskys and Kioritz (Echo) saws and they are built better than the Stihl 028s, not worse. El Cheapo homeowner saws are a bit different.

There are many saws on the market built every bit as well, and better than the 028. But the market is a little confusing with all the homeowner crap mixed in. Homelite started doing it in the 60s, Stihl followed with the 015 and then the 010/011, and now they all do it.

When I look to buy a saw, I make sure I look at a parts breakdown first - and make sure it' piston ported, has a hard cylinder liner, and full ball-bearing main-bearings.

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JT

12-19-2007 14:25:13




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to jdemaris, 12-19-2007 11:05:11  
OK, what I meant was there are NO new saws that are as good as an 028 in the size of that saw. I have worked on chain saws for over 30 years and if you take a saw in the same size as an 028, I will guarantee that the 028 will out last, and out cut any of the newer saws. The new saws use speed to cut, that is why the .325 chain was designed, to make these new saws have the ability to cut as fast as the old reed port engine. The reed port engines run at around 9-10,000 rpm compared to 12-13,000 for the piston port engines. They have a lot more lugging power than a piston port engine. Call me old school, or an old fool, but the new saws just do not hold up to the older saws and if I had a choice of a new saw or rebuilding an 028, hands down, a rebuild would be the way to go. People now a days also tell me how much a peice of crap a Homelite XL12 or an old Mc Culloch Pro Mac 1010 is, but is their time, they were an excellant saw, and a good one, tuned right, will still cut good, just slow and loud.
Jim

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jdemaris

12-19-2007 15:10:14




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to JT, 12-19-2007 14:25:13  
I worked for Asplundh Tree Expert Co. in the 70s. All we used were Homelites - blue XL-12s and 925s and one old gear-drive Super-Wiz. Homelites were sloppily built when blue but got worse as they turned red. We were always tinkering with them and few would idle hot. So, we were constantly restarting them up in the trees. When we changed over to Jonsereds and Stihls - it was a night-and-day difference. But - I'm talking about 041 Supers, 045 Supers 051s, 08S's, etc. Year's later - at the last Deere dealership I worked at - most of our logger customers got fed up with Stihl circa mid 80s around the time when many parts went from magnesium to plastic. Most changed over to Husky and never came back. As far as newer saws now - in the homeowner class? I've had some very pleasant surprises. One being a "Sears Best" that I bought for $25 at a yard sale. Ends up it's Poulan Pro 3.8 (55 c.c. ) with .325 chain. Full ball-bearing crank support and hard-chrome cylinder liner. It's been a surprisingly well built and durable saw - especially for a "cheap" brand. And surprising light considering it has real metal in it and not plastic. I've bought two more since and they've all been fine and used hard. When compared to an 031 or 041 - they seem to be built just as well if not better, more power for the weight, and easier to work on. Parts are cheaper too.

In regard to new small saws - again you have to weed through the homeowner crap - but the smaller Echo/Kiortiz saws are very well built and every bit as well designed as the 028s. I suspect there are others as well, but the Echo is only one I've got first-hand knowledge of.

In regard to chain pitch and cutting speed? I guess I never gave it much thought - except that I personally hate low-profile 3/8" and hate even more the 1/4" chain Stihl used on the 015. My 031 has had 3/8" full profile chain and .325, and it cuts the same with either. My 040 used to have .404 chain and I changed it over to full profile 3/8" and it seems a little faster. I still have several saws with 1/2" chain, but they are all gear-drives anyway - so speed is not expected. I just keep the rakers low.

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Billy NY

12-19-2007 16:35:01




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to jdemaris, 12-19-2007 15:10:14  
JD, what do you think of the 08S, I found my fathers late 60's red 08S in one of the horse stalls used for storage several years ago, I grabbed it before the hired thieves (I mean help) disappeared with it, and brought it home for future reference. Can't leave anything there anymore, just hate the fact you can't trust anyone today

As I recall it always ran good, I'm not sure I remember now what the gas oil fuel ratio for those were, had taken apart the carb, cleaned it and reassembled, ran good, maybe 10 years ago, would like to get it running again.

Can you still get parts for these, think just the bar is worn out + sprocket and chain, carb rebuild kit, flush fuel tank etc. should be good to go. My father used it for years around the farm here, heavy but I thought it would make a good back up to the one I've been using, an '02 Stihl model MS-390 which I assume is a homeowner grade, did not know then, seems like a decent saw for moderate use, friend has a slightly newer MS-360 both perform well.

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jdemaris

12-19-2007 17:49:22




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Billy NY, 12-19-2007 16:35:01  
O8S was an extremely rugged saw. It was the only model saw that we felt rugged enough to send out on rental. There was also an O8SG with gear-drive. S10 is the older version of the O8S. Only problem we had with them is the governor. It has an air-vane governor that limits engine-speed by closing the choke. So, the choke flutters a lot back and forth, and eventually wears out the choke-shaft. It's a minor issue and I've run many that had the governors unhooked.

In regard to fuel-mix, we always advised customers to use 25 to 1 which provides extra oil. We've never had a Shihl with a fouling problem from it. My oldest saw - an 040 - built in the late 60s, still runs good and has never been rebuilt. It has no ign-switch - the older Stihls used the choke for a shut-off.

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Billy NY

12-19-2007 18:15:05




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to jdemaris, 12-19-2007 17:49:22  
This one has not been rebuilt that I know of, and I saw quite a few parts for these on e-bay, we have several Stihl dealers nearby, and my neighbor has operated a small engine shop for over 30 years, he sells echo and husqvarna, still works there part time, sold the business to his partner, good resources for these around I'll bet, so I'd imagine this 08s probably has a lot of life left, good to know about that governor and choke shaft as well, glad I brought it home, something told me not to leave it there, was the first saw I ever ran.

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Hotflashjr

12-19-2007 10:20:47




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
I have a Jonsered Turbo saw thats great. I have the CS 2150 and it has great power. I haven't found a project around the house that this can't handle. It is a bit more saw then a typical homeowner would need, but if you do a little firewood and a little brushcutting or clearing it is great to work with.



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RossIL

12-19-2007 10:19:15




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 Re: Chainsaw suggestions? in reply to Bud in WV, 12-19-2007 10:05:37  
I have an 028 as well and I love it. If you want another Stihl they replaced the 028 with the MS-280. Should be a good saw still. I'd get an MS-260 pro. It's about as powerful as the 280 and lighter. But it does cost more. Husky's are few and far between around here but I think that's due to lack of dealer support rather than a reflection of the saws them self.
Ross



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markiz41

12-19-2007 10:33:45




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 280 vs 260 in reply to RossIL, 12-19-2007 10:19:15  
Jumping 30 more years into the future here.. 260 can be rebuilt, 280 can't.



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