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Bob85355

12-18-2007 19:39:03




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While shopping today I dropped in on one of my charities to see what tools they had for sale. Found an open end 7/16 by 3/8 curved hand wrench. Markings on it are "J.W. WILLIAMS & CO. BROOKLYN U.S.A." Below that is "663" and below that is "C".

I did a search for various combinations and came up with Williams Drop Forgings Co Brooklyn in a 1903 newpaper article. Not much else.

I"m going to clean the tool, its in pretty good condition, and give it to a grandson who is a Saturn technician (we called em mechanics back when) and tell him that when anyone asks to borrow a tool, just hand them this antique and they"ll likely not ask again.

Like to get some history on the thing. I started twisting wrenches with my father in the late forties and don"t recall having any of that style tool. So, I"m guessing it came out in the late twenties or early thirties.

Any info is welcome as is any links or direction of further search.

TIA

Bob

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Kestrel in CT

12-20-2007 14:44:00




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 Re: Identity era of Tool in reply to Bob85355, 12-18-2007 19:39:03  
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After reading this post, I thought I had a few of these. Went downstairs and found 'em. I had no idea they were that old and collectible.

Yeah, I agree..... ..wait 'til the young man has a few years on him.

I used what I though was a common dueling sword as a poker in my wood stove for years before I got older and decided to research the thing. Turned out it was from the 17th century ! Its on my office wall now, no worse for the wear.

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Bob85355

12-19-2007 09:24:59




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 Re: Identity era of Tool in reply to Bob85355, 12-18-2007 19:39:03  
Thanks to all for your comments, advice and links. I now have a pretty good idea of what it is and when it was made. Maybe I"ll wait a few years for the grandkid to garner a greater appreciation for tools before I give it to him.

Thanks again

Bob



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glennster

12-19-2007 06:23:29




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 Re: Identity era of Tool in reply to Bob85355, 12-18-2007 19:39:03  
geez i feel bad now, i got quite a few wrenches like that and i still use em. most of my tractors have them in the tool boxes.



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Joe(TX)

12-19-2007 09:20:01




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 Re: Identity era of Tool in reply to glennster, 12-19-2007 06:23:29  
I'm with you glenster. I some like that one plus some Plumb wrenches, among other, I still use.



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Lorne Gradwell

12-19-2007 05:30:34




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 Re: Identity era of Tool in reply to Bob85355, 12-18-2007 19:39:03  
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Hi Bob,

Yeah, the Alloy Artifacts site is where you want to be; the link below will take you to the section on J.H. Williams...

The company was initially headquartered in Brooklyn, but eventually moved to Buffalo. The Buffalo factory was built in 1914, but the headquarters remained in Brooklyn until some time after 1919, so Larry's pre-1920 guess is a good one. Subsequent tools were marked "Buffalo", and not "Brooklyn".

The first page of the Williams section actually contains an entry for a 663 wrench. It's a 663E, though, so the letter likely denoted the size, while the 663 referred to the style...

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larry in tn

12-19-2007 04:02:02




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 Re: Identity era of Tool in reply to Bob85355, 12-18-2007 19:39:03  
Don't be to quick to let someone walk off with that old wrench. I just sold a similar one for $85.00 on E-bay. The one I had was embossed with a "Mack" bulldog on one side and the Williams name on the other. I got the thing years ago from an old man that had driven a Mack truck to deliver coal. The wrench had been part of a tool kit that came with a new chain driven, hard rubber tired Mack. I'd PUT THE AGE AT PRE 1920.
Williams tools in good condition are sought after. They bring a higher price than Snap-On.

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135 Fan

12-18-2007 22:28:54




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 Re: Identity era of Tool in reply to Bob85355, 12-18-2007 19:39:03  
Williams were common tools in machine shops for lathes and stuff. Good heavy duty tools. Dave



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John in Nebraska

12-18-2007 21:28:54




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 Re: Identity era of Tool in reply to Bob85355, 12-18-2007 19:39:03  
By 1920 J.H.Williams and sons tools were well established, and your wrench, called an S wrench was available in plain steel from the late teens thru the mid 30s. Williams tools was recently bought out by Snap-On, in more recent years their offerings seemed more industrial tools. The chrome plated Williams tools I have from the 50s and 60s are probably second to none. Keep trying to assemble a set, but there were a lot of model changes.

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Greg_Ky

12-18-2007 20:02:57




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 Re: Identity era of Tool in reply to Bob85355, 12-18-2007 19:39:03  
Give this site a try.



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Davis In SC

12-18-2007 19:53:23




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 Re: Identity era of Tool in reply to Bob85355, 12-18-2007 19:39:03  
There is a web site that tells a lot of history on hand tools. Try a search for Alloy Artifacts



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