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Soldering an aluminum carburetor

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Mike B.

07-23-2001 08:12:03




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I picked up a damaged Kohler engine which has a
cracked carburetor, and a hole punched in the side of the block. Since I can't weld aluminum,
because it requires DC (I have an AC welder), I
bought some sticks of Aluminum Solder/Braze. (it
says AL-3, 4043 Aluminum Soldering rod) Can this stuff be used with a propane torch?

Is there any recommended flux?

Does it "wick" into a crack?

Is it likely that I will melt the carburetor
while I'm trying to repair it?

If I use it on the block, will it melt when the
engine gets hot?

Any suggestions, Thanks, Mike

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Kendall

07-24-2001 14:14:13




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 Re: Soldering an aluminum carburetor in reply to Mike B., 07-23-2001 08:12:03  
I saw an infomercial once for something like you describe called alumaloy. (Im guessing thats how its spelled) I have seen it in good hardware stores too. They show someone repairing aluminum products with it and a propane or mapp gas torch. Kinda like brazing. The engine is not likley to get as hot as a propane torch.



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Steve U.S. Alloys

07-25-2001 05:18:11




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 Re: Re: Soldering an aluminum carburetor in reply to Kendall, 07-24-2001 14:14:13  
That is a similar product Kendall. It's hard to classify as a process as anything over 800�F is considered brazing and anything less as soldering. The procedure however is a soldering procedure.

I would not put into question the solidus and liquidus temperature of that type of material in this application. I really doubt the low temp solder in the 400�F range would be an issue but possibly under certain conditions it may come close to it's melting point.

We have several special application solders/pastes and some are only in the 300�F range. That's close to the melting point of polymers and resins.

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Steve U.S. Alloys

07-24-2001 06:40:11




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 Re: Soldering an aluminum carburetor in reply to Mike B., 07-23-2001 08:12:03  
Hi Mike,
You can repair the block w/o much effort by using a propane torch with something like the #328 alloy we have. No flux required. Vee it out. Clean with a stainless steel brush and let the part melt the alloy. Don't apply the flame to the alloy itself. The Al melts at around 1200�F and the alloy at 800�F.

The carb is a zinc die casting which will have a melting point close the same as the #328. Here's what I do with zinc die castings when using #328.

I use a container of slightly wetted sand to press the part into. This makes a fairly good mold if the part sags and usually allows it to cool off in the same shape I started out with. You can also use a low temp solder with bond temps in the 400�F range if the crack is in an area where the sand mold is not practical. I haven't taken the temperature readings on a small engine to check operating temps but I can do that for you with my non-contact pyrometer if it helps you out. Someone else probably knows if operating temps would exceed 400�F or not.

I was pretty surprised by the price of those small engine carbs once. You may be able to find a carb body at the local junk yard. You can get a carb rebuild kit for not much money. I bought one for $8.00 this summer for the briggs on my Troy built.

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Al English

07-23-2001 16:42:03




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 Re: Soldering an aluminum carburetor in reply to Mike B., 07-23-2001 08:12:03  
Hi Mike,
Carburetors are often cast from zinc bearing alloys that are even more difficult to repair than aluminum. Aluminum solder/braze will not "wick" into the joint the way conventional solder does. And yes, a little too much heat could easily melt the casting before you have time to react. In most cases epoxy is not the best possible method of repair. But unless you are an expert with a torch or TIG welder, or know someone who is, I think Dean's idea of using something like JB Weld is your best option. Good luck...Al English

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Dean

07-23-2001 11:22:41




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 Re: Soldering an aluminum carburetor in reply to Mike B., 07-23-2001 08:12:03  
An alternative is to use JB Weld. It's saved me more than once on this kind of repair. Works perfectly on carburetors as gas has no effect. Works on blocks as it's good up to 600F. Just be sure to get the underlying material perfectly clean and dry.



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